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So should we name them true and false Red Terror to avoid mixing up?
No, they should list them as festae and urophthalmus to avoid the confusion. You run into the same issue with the Red Terror as you do with the Green, most know uro's as the Red Terror, so adding true doesn't change much.,
 

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Last month I bought a Red Terror, but it is not the Festae I was looking for. Gladly, the LFS let me return the fish. The store did not post the scientific name, and there are two species named Red Terror and they look alike as juvenile. So should we name them true and false Red Terror to avoid mixing up?

They are already named True Red Terrors and False Red Terrors. Apparently I am conveying an unintended impression, I do not necessarily agree with the common names, although the names still can have some positives as well as negatives. I did not create the common names, this was society as a whole, and finally I do not support common names. I just need a little more clarification ;), you seem aware of A. Stalsbergi and seem aware of the common name of True Green Terror, are you aware of the differences between the Green Terrors? ;) But the answer to your question is probably no because the scientific names tend to be usually more specific and precise regarding the species for my personal preference; also researching the fish's appearance is oftentimes important because of the little differences. An example of appearances could be with Neon Tetras and Cardinal Tetras. However, can you imagine being a brand new person to the hobby, and trying to memorize the scientific names and trying to remember them and trying to purchase a fish at the pet store? Not everyone has the preference for scientific names, and that is the reason for the common names. (I did not create them, nor support them) The reason I keep saying this is I do not wish to be a target for something I did not even create, nor make the thread name. It is an unfortunate or fortunate reality regarding common names, depending on you perception but they are still a reality. :) I am also sorry you had that negative experience, especially since LFS should have the scientific name along with the common name. :) Also I understand about the confusion because a lot of Blue Acaras tend to be labeled as Green Terrors and vice versa. :) Knowledge of the fish's appearance and other information is critical for both the supplier and the consumer, and either one or both can leave an unpleasant experience.


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No, they should list them as festae and urophthalmus to avoid the confusion. You run into the same issue with the Red Terror as you do with the Green, most know uro's as the Red Terror, so adding true doesn't change much.,
I agree 100% Darth Pike with you. Scientific names are the most important because it helps ensure the correct fish is obtained, and additionally the clarification of the species even being discussed, researched, and etcetera. Common names are to simplify the fish's information, but very frequently this tends to create confusion, so the scientific name ensures the accuracy of the correct species and other various information.


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Common names are to simplify the fish's information
Common names are generally created by vendors to increase market value. These are almost never the common names used by the locals where the native wild fish are collected, they are fantasy names made up by those who are financially motivated to add a certain mystique and/or sex appeal to the fish.


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I'll always argue the common name is the more confusing one ... most average aquarists don't even know there are more than one species of green terror ... so they might be posting what they think is the 'true green terror' ... I wouldn't assume everyone posting their saum may not be doing it on purpose. Actually, I'd assume most don't know the difference.

Life would be so much more simple without common names, especially since they are applied to multiple species and sometimes even entire complexes, ie Texas cichlids.
 

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Common names are generally created by vendors to increase market value. These are almost never the common names used by the locals where the native wild fish are collected, they are fantasy names made up by those who are financially motivated to add a certain mystique and/or sex appeal to the fish.


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I agree with your opinion somewhat, but why would locals use the same common name? Every society tends to be different regarding cultures and etcetera. I am not sure why vendors are the target for creating names for the fish, why could average people not influence the names , or other researchers that study the fish? This seems accurate to an extent but almost sounds like a conspiracy theory with no reason to suggest they are the primary reason. Plus the native people around the native fishes habitat tend to have different common names. Although, I do agree that common names are created to highlight, emphasize, or exaggerate certain characteristics of the fish.


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Note the word "generally" in my opening comment. This is coming from someone who has been in this game a long time, and seen this first hand, many times. I also have a friend who's been in the tropical fish business for over 40 years - he would most certainly concur with my opinion, as he has personally created a few of these common names still used within the industry. No conspiracy theory, just the facts, ma'am.
 

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Note the word "generally" in my opening comment. This is coming from someone who has been in this game a long time, and seen this first hand, many times. I also have a friend who's been in the tropical fish business for over 40 years - he would most certainly concur with my opinion, as he has personally created a few of these common names still used within the industry. No conspiracy theory, just the facts, ma'am.
Yeah, I admit I did overlook the word generally. :) I am not doubting your experiences because I do believe you. This just seems a little biased, and I am not sure about the "facts" because I would not even know about your experiences, although I would take your word for the claim, but it is still a biased opinion just like mine, ma'am. :)


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