Salminus Franciscanus (Golden Dorado)

[Dloks]

I'm going to go with my friend Dloks ' response.
"Do you really want to know? You should see my right hand"

Haha dang everyone the man the myth the legend shout me out! This is probably one of my best moments on MFK! Haha all jokes aside Ken you probably don’t know this but you got me obsessed with filtration. Honestly few years ago when you introduced the W. Lim filters with the glass beads and UV that was all I hyped about. Your Kels were the nicest in the game me and Troy1015 litterally drooled over them. Your filtration to me has always been top notch! Your a dude that knows what he’s talking about with facts and evidence to prove it.

 

[kendragon]

DB junkie
I don't even own an air pump. Maybe fellow ray guys can comment.
I feel a slight draft looking at the picture.

Just concerned cuz at high pH it makes ammonia more toxic to the fish. Does moving rays increase ammonia?

 

[kendragon]

Haha dang everyone the man the myth the legend shout me out! This is probably one of my best moments on MFK! Haha all jokes aside Ken you probably don’t know this but you got me obsessed with filtration. Honestly few years ago when you introduced the W. Lim filters with the glass beads and UV that was all I hyped about. Your Kels were the nicest in the game me and Troy1015 litterally drooled over them. Your filtration to me has always been top notch! Your a dude that knows what he’s talking about with facts and evidence to prove it.

Stalker

 

[kendragon]

DB junkie

Consider this:
Your reactors are super charged to strip Carbon Dioxide.

Fish produces Carbon Dioxide
Nitrosomonas/Nitrobacter/Bacteria produces Carbon Dioxide

Carbon Dioxide is needed to lower pH. If you got none, how are you going to get a lower pH? You got the opposite of a pH crash.

We mentioned balance. Balance in this case is pH.

Need more fish to increase Carbon Dioxide.
Reduce those reactors to increase Carbon Dioxide.
Add closed chamber filter to increase Carbon Dioxide.

I think the missing link/Jackalope is Carbon Dioxide.
What do you think?

 

[kendragon]

I was able to save some by turning on the RO and walking away. After turning a few around I gave up on tap and have been running a RO/Tap premix -aged and heated.

This helped lower pH. So does peat and drift wood.

 

[DB junkie]

Best way to get the moving bed to boil proper is a stupid amount of air.... SO thats what Ive been doing.... I was under the impression MORE was better Teddy Brosevelt.....

So in the proper order of things which form of media would you want to run first? Am I wrong in thinking ideal would be from the flushable filter to wet/dry filled with bacteria house, then drizzling into a moving bed? In my head this was what I saw my final draft being....

I am guilty of not paying attention to water parameters. My striaght tap water is high PH but I use mostly RO so I believe that brings it down a bit. I have no idea if ammo would go up but would only make sense it would. So bigger bio load = more stable is what you're saying?

Peat and driftwood didn't affect the PH in past attempts. Did make the water look very very poo'd in though...

 

[kendragon]

DB junkie

The concept of bio reactors is for the media to touch air while sitting in water and Carbon Dioxide is vented from the top.
The concept of wet/dry is to wet the balls with falling water and the falling water will in turn push air up from the bottom of the chamber up to the top releasing Carbon Dioxide.
Both are designed for degassing.

The concept of simple biological filter is to pass water through media. Idea is oxygen rich water will feed the media surface (producing Carbon Dioxide). Good media will keep a thin aerobic bio film by dropping the dead bio waste layers (self cleaning).

Are you guys boiling K1 to achieve both?

 

[DB junkie]

I boil the media for the same reason I torque bolts to 89 in/lbs...... Cause thats what the instructions say. I then add the same ingrediant I try to add to every aspect of keeping fish - overkill. MORE then I need. I try to do it with water flow, air, media, volume - anything I have the power to add more then I should need- I do.

I'm programmed to fix things. I can't fix things if I don't know something is wrong. With cars its super easy - theres usually a little light or some sort of tell tale - data I can interpret that leads me to a repair the restores proper operation. With fish it's way more difficult - what if fish that are described as hard to keep thrive while fish that are "tough" do not. Pretty sure this is the only reason I would ever quit keeping fish- the extreme frustration of doing something wrong and NOT knowing what it is. When you try so hard - spend so much time and money and at the end of the day you still have no clue if you're even doing things right or wrong?!? When you take a test your answers are checked and graded - you learn from your mistakes. Kind of hard for someone to learn from mistakes IF they don't know they are even making them, or even worse knowing they are making them but not knowing what they are. Gets my vote for one of the most frustrating things a person can do to themselves.

We all know the definition of insanity..... So when something doesn't yield the results you're after what do you do? Something else. Hope that works better. Something else. Hope it works better. But that sure doesn't give you the answer of WHY it works better or why its a mistake.

I think this is why I'm a little salty towards freshwater rays. I was under the impression they were a little demanding, but not much more then other fish. IF someone would have sat me down and explained to me that I would need to be an architect, biologist, chemist,daycare provider, engineer,fluid dynamics degree - (I'm sure there's something you need to be for every letter of the alphabet just to be able to keep the stupid things properly) I probably would have stayed clear. OR maybe not? Regardless, they're here. And I only have my lifetime to teach my daughter how to properly care for them. She turns 1 next month so I'd like to get this whole proper keeping thing down sooner then later. Our daughter "Henlei" needs to know how to take care of the rays she doesn't even know she has yet.....

Could a guy argue that the over aretion raising the PH would counter balance the PH falling as the water becomes "used up" and begins to crash? Sounds like balance to me....

So I need a "regassing" chamber??? Is that what you're telling me? A closed chamber filter? Saran wrap the bio reactors?

 

[kendragon]

I've never had a Corvette Stingray ZR1 supercharged so it's hard for me to give good advice.....I drive a Camaro....get it?

I agree with you that pH is the problem in your system. You can leave the filters alone since it is processing so well for you. Just need to find another way to lower pH.

Kids have the best ideas cuz they think outside the box. They don't know about rules. Henlei will be a great asset to the Team.

Sorry to rush off but I'm off to do my pond maintenance route. Guys, please chime in.

 

[DB junkie]

This helped lower pH. So does peat and drift wood.

I've never had a Corvette Stingray ZR1 supercharged so it's hard for me to give good advice.....I drive a Camaro....get it?

I agree with you that pH is the problem in your system. You can leave the filters alone since it is processing so well for you. Just need to find another way to lower pH.

Kids have the best ideas cuz they think outside the box. They don't know about rules. Henlei will be a great asset to the Team.

Sorry to rush off but I'm off to do my pond maintenance route. Guys, please chime in.

Hoping PH WAS the problem. We hope to have that addressed with the 1.3K gpd worth of RO systems here now. Still lots of work (trial and error) to go I'm sure but seems like the direction that made the most sense considering the results.....

Supercharged corvette stingray zr1!?!? LMAO. Closest I could ever get to one of those is IF I was to get back all the money Ive spent on this hobby..... I DO enjoy fast, I'm just not able to afford mine in a nice looking package. I get my fast fix from a Dodge Neon. Its set up to run on corn (e85) and is definitely a respectable lil demon, but is still a "neon"

We know I have no gold watch, or even a watch for that matter..... When it comes to filters mine are just like my car ugly but seem to work. I build them and try to feed them the latest and greatest. I bought into the moving beds hard. LOTS of K1,K2 and Bio Chips here. I couldn't afford the fancy filter packages in the past so I used cheaper vessles but have always believed in good media. Now I can afford a little better so have went to these flushable style filters, but I feel like anymore its no different then going to the bar..... Everyone can argue over what the best shot is but at the end of the day we all showed up to drink and usually end up getting the job done. I'm a drinker and I get the job done in the quickest most convenient way possible - shots after work. Would like to be able to do my fish mainance in the same fasion - so have been looking for best way to get rid of filter socks without taking up a bunch of space. Seems like the flushable filters are the best means to get that done, but still doesn't solve the best way to do the bio side of things....