A new start for my main tank?

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A quick update on my latest descent into madness. :crazy: I'll even attempt a pic.

The 21 goldies from the pond have been doing their thing in the basement tank for 4 months now, and I have come to realize that we...the fish and I...are caught in some kind of weird love/hate menage a trois.

I love the goldfish...the goldfish love the plants...forcing me to use plastic plants (ugh!)...which makes me think that the goldies hate me...a feeling which I in turn begin to reciprocate. It's confusing.

The 25 or so live goldfish fry in the other basement tank are also doing well, although only about a quarter of them are showing any golden colouration. The largest fry are now maybe 1.5 inches in length.

The 250+ fry in the freezer are nicely blended into my DIY gel cubes and are by far the least troublesome of the bunch.

So, here's the good stuff about goldfish:

They exhibit that stunning colouration that still floors me when I walk into the fishroom. They never fight with each other or anybody else. They are always alert, active and on the move. They use all areas and levels of the tank. They did great in the pond with temps in the high 70's for awhile, and are just as happy in the unheated basement tank at 55F. They seem almost cichlid-like in their apparent awareness and observation of what's going on around them. They are tame and unafraid and trust me completely...the idiots...

And now, of course, the bad stuff:

They're goldfish, so lots of people don't think they are "cool" enough to keep. I've never understood this attitude; any animal that lives in such an alien environment is pretty cool in my books. But if you care about how they make you look to other aquarists...meh...

They grow pretty fast and get pretty big, a trait they share with tons of other fish, but worth keeping in mind.

Plants grow very slowly in the cool water they prefer...but they eat the plants almost as fast in the cool temps as in the warm temps. I haven't completely given up on plants but I'm close...and I detest plastic plants. :(

Probably my biggest beef with them is the fact that they are so trusting, so tame and so hungry that as soon as I step into the room they are all right there at the front waiting for chow. 21 fairly good-sized goldfish swimming casually around the tank makes a very calm, relaxing and pretty picture; the same 21 fish all puppy-dogging at the front, right wherever I happen to stand, looks a little like the feeder tank at PetSmart. I don't like crowded tanks, or even tanks that look crowded. When the tank is three feet from front to back, but all the fish are going crazy in the front three inches...nope, just...nope.

I decided to try to get a tank pic; took ten minutes of sitting quietly in my armchair before the hopeful feeding frenzy dispersed. When it did, I took out my phone...uncrossed my legs and leaned forward to snap the pic...BANG! PetSmart again.

Here's the thing that caught me off guard: my tank overflows into a Rubbermaid garbage can right next to it; the first stage of mechanical filtration is a smaller bucket inside the big can, filled with a couple layers of increasingly finer Poret sponge. As the sponge clogs up, water begins to back up above it, creating a "head pressure" that forces the water through the increasingly-clogged sponge. Normally, I clean the top layer every day or two, so the backlog of water standing on top of it never occurs, but when I was away from home for three weeks at a time for work, my wife fed the fish but didn't touch the sponge. When I came home after three weeks the water was always backed up right up to the top of small bucket, and occasionally even overflowing it and bypassing the sponge altogether. That was with a community of Geos, Goodeids, Garras, Barbs, Catfish, etc., kept at temperatures around 70F and well fed; live plants too.

With the goldies, I left the primary sponge untouched to see how long it would take to clog and overflow. Holy crap! By day 5, the water was backed up right to the top of the bucket; on day 6 it began to overflow and bypass the mech filter. This is with the tank around 15F degrees cooler, and a commensurately lower level of feeding. I "knew" this the same way we "know" lots of things, i.e. by hearing other people say it...but now, I know from actual personal experience: goldfish are absolute pigs. :)

Tried to get a full-tank pic, now that I've sorta figured out the mysteries of cropping out all the extraneous junk in my fishroom:

360 tank 2.jpg

Once again, I apologize...I detest plastic plants...but at the moment it's my only option.
 

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Your decorations all look natural and a little like you might have found them on your property but for those core sample pipe looking bits. Is that something off of a job site or from a fish shop?
 

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Very interesting and looks great! Care to share some detail on your Rubbermaid setup?
Thanks! Not much more to explain aside from what I described above. There is a more-or-less normal sump setup under the tank, but the water from the tank overflow goes through mechanical filtration mainly in the very top of the Rubbermaid can standing beside the tank. The Rmaid can is half full of biomedia, and the bucket of mech media just stands on top of that, as an ugly big-ass "trickle tower". The bottom of the garbage can sits at the level of the tank bottom; it's drillled and drains into the sump. Set up this way, the garbage can is completely capable of adequately filtering the tank all by itself. The sump contains more bio, heaters if used, and usually a couple of Poret sponge filters bubbling away, ready to move to other tanks for easy quick setup. I've used this basic configuration for years.

Your decorations all look natural and a little like you might have found them on your property but for those core sample pipe looking bits. Is that something off of a job site or from a fish shop?

Substrate: pool filter sand.

Rocks: picked from the giant rockpile in one of my fields, leftover from back when those fields were cleared.

Wood: all self-collected from lakeshores, rivers, etc.

Concrete drain pipe sections: yup, rural-jobsite scavenged. I have dozens; terrific hides, caves, etc.

Plastic plants: out of the bag where I stored them for probably 20 years. Perfect excuse to "I told you so!" my wife when she asks why I don't throw away stuff I haven't used lately.

Grolsch bottle: used to be one of my favourite beers; still my favourite bottle. :)

Deer skull: buck shot on my land a number of years ago; too small to go on the wall, but a very pretty, very symmetrical rack too nice to use for dog chews. I use it to remind the fish that there is still a food chain going on...so they'd better behave lest they become a link. :)


If you want a more natural look to the plastic plants, overspray them with dark green then black krylon paint. Layer the colors to make them look mossy. Let some of the original color show through. Works like a charm.
Thanks...sounds too much like work! I'll just let 'em get mossy on their own. :)

Seriously...they gotta go.
 
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A quick update on my latest descent into madness. :crazy: I'll even attempt a pic.

The 21 goldies from the pond have been doing their thing in the basement tank for 4 months now, and I have come to realize that we...the fish and I...are caught in some kind of weird love/hate menage a trois.

I love the goldfish...the goldfish love the plants...forcing me to use plastic plants (ugh!)...which makes me think that the goldies hate me...a feeling which I in turn begin to reciprocate. It's confusing.

The 25 or so live goldfish fry in the other basement tank are also doing well, although only about a quarter of them are showing any golden colouration. The largest fry are now maybe 1.5 inches in length.

The 250+ fry in the freezer are nicely blended into my DIY gel cubes and are by far the least troublesome of the bunch.

So, here's the good stuff about goldfish:

They exhibit that stunning colouration that still floors me when I walk into the fishroom. They never fight with each other or anybody else. They are always alert, active and on the move. They use all areas and levels of the tank. They did great in the pond with temps in the high 70's for awhile, and are just as happy in the unheated basement tank at 55F. They seem almost cichlid-like in their apparent awareness and observation of what's going on around them. They are tame and unafraid and trust me completely...the idiots...

And now, of course, the bad stuff:

They're goldfish, so lots of people don't think they are "cool" enough to keep. I've never understood this attitude; any animal that lives in such an alien environment is pretty cool in my books. But if you care about how they make you look to other aquarists...meh...

They grow pretty fast and get pretty big, a trait they share with tons of other fish, but worth keeping in mind.

Plants grow very slowly in the cool water they prefer...but they eat the plants almost as fast in the cool temps as in the warm temps. I haven't completely given up on plants but I'm close...and I detest plastic plants. :(

Probably my biggest beef with them is the fact that they are so trusting, so tame and so hungry that as soon as I step into the room they are all right there at the front waiting for chow. 21 fairly good-sized goldfish swimming casually around the tank makes a very calm, relaxing and pretty picture; the same 21 fish all puppy-dogging at the front, right wherever I happen to stand, looks a little like the feeder tank at PetSmart. I don't like crowded tanks, or even tanks that look crowded. When the tank is three feet from front to back, but all the fish are going crazy in the front three inches...nope, just...nope.

I decided to try to get a tank pic; took ten minutes of sitting quietly in my armchair before the hopeful feeding frenzy dispersed. When it did, I took out my phone...uncrossed my legs and leaned forward to snap the pic...BANG! PetSmart again.

Here's the thing that caught me off guard: my tank overflows into a Rubbermaid garbage can right next to it; the first stage of mechanical filtration is a smaller bucket inside the big can, filled with a couple layers of increasingly finer Poret sponge. As the sponge clogs up, water begins to back up above it, creating a "head pressure" that forces the water through the increasingly-clogged sponge. Normally, I clean the top layer every day or two, so the backlog of water standing on top of it never occurs, but when I was away from home for three weeks at a time for work, my wife fed the fish but didn't touch the sponge. When I came home after three weeks the water was always backed up right up to the top of small bucket, and occasionally even overflowing it and bypassing the sponge altogether. That was with a community of Geos, Goodeids, Garras, Barbs, Catfish, etc., kept at temperatures around 70F and well fed; live plants too.

With the goldies, I left the primary sponge untouched to see how long it would take to clog and overflow. Holy crap! By day 5, the water was backed up right to the top of the bucket; on day 6 it began to overflow and bypass the mech filter. This is with the tank around 15F degrees cooler, and a commensurately lower level of feeding. I "knew" this the same way we "know" lots of things, i.e. by hearing other people say it...but now, I know from actual personal experience: goldfish are absolute pigs. :)

Tried to get a full-tank pic, now that I've sorta figured out the mysteries of cropping out all the extraneous junk in my fishroom:

View attachment 1534733

Once again, I apologize...I detest plastic plants...but at the moment it's my only option.
If you want a more natural look to the plastic plants, overspray them with dark green then black krylon paint. Layer the colors to make them look mossy. Let some of the original color show through. Works like a charm.
 

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So as I sat here last night nursing a Guinness, waiting for my wife to finish feeding her insatiable addiction to "The Curse Of Oak Island" upstairs, I spent a few minutes checking out the latest violent comings and goings in FINWIN FINWIN 's tank. I always like to check up on Brick, and to see how he's handling all those assorted psycho fish with whom he shares his home. And it struck me that all those weird fish had names, and somehow FINWIN FINWIN keeps them all straight. How does she do that?

I decided that the Goldies need names too. Otherwise, they will always just be anonymous animals rather than "pets". Now, normally, the few fish that I own who have names were christened by other people; my wife, grandkids, visiting friends, etc. But I have 21 Goldies in this tank, and if any of them are to be named...then all of them need to be named. Not gonna wait around for the granddaughters to figure out 21 names, considering that they argued and fought pretty much all of one day when choosing a name for a single leech. Obviously, I've gotta do this myself.

So, without further ado...in fact, with very little ado at all...I have christened them as follows:

1. That Goldfish
2. That Other Goldfish
3. This Goldfish Here
4. This Other One
5. The Smallest One
6. The Second Smallest One
7. The Big-Ass One
8. The Fat One
9. The Really Fat One
10. Spot (because he has...well, you know...)
11. Two-Face (white on one side of his face, orange on the other)
12. Horny (because he rarely stops chasing The Really Fat One)
13. Gimpy (because he has a deformed caudal fin)
14. The Green Goblin (the only one who is all-natural in colour)
15. Whitey (completely white)
16. Skunk (white stripe running the length of his belly)
17. Pale Rider (much more pastel yellow rather than orange)
18. Ghost (looks just like Pale Rider, but different)
19. 20. 21. These Other Guys

Granddaughters will be here next weekend; this should be fun. :)

I'm hoping for their sake that humanizing the Goldies will increase their chances of becoming long-term family members. Right now, I like them and have no plans to re-home them...but thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter has been posting about his Largemouth Bass lately and reminding me how much I like those fish. It seems as though they would slip between the cracks of my province's stringent regulations regarding transport of native fish, so...I dunno...

I also mentioned to my local fish-junkie service-provider several months ago that I would like to get a Chinese Wels. The last time I was in to see him, he casually commented that he was still looking into that for me. Hmmm...:devil:
 

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