All Australian MFKERS must Read This
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the koi society and the asian breeding community will have the biggest say in any proposal, it just so happens that they also have the most money to throw around
Point of the matter is that fishkeeping and associated laws in Australia have been arse backwards for a long time. One just has to look at the current noxious list and realise that a large portion of the banned species pose less of a risk to our waterways than many commonly kept fish(especially american cichlids), many of which are fairly aggressive piscivores, territorial, more prolific breeders and probably able to tolerate and establish over a greater range than the noxious species. The current noxious list is mostly public hype(piranha, wolves, maybe some snakeheads etc). These fish were never likely to take over our rivers except maybe the far north where any fish species poses as much of a risk.
As for the whole dumping "problem", gimme a break. No-one is gonna be dumping a fish worth hundreds of dollars when they tire of it or it gets to big. Our exotics market is quite capable of re-homing any unwanted tankbusters. One just has to check the classifieds on any aus forum to realise this. Also I'm yet to hear about established populations of exotics and tankbusters. All the problem feral fish(tilapia excluded) are bread and butter fish, goldfish, koi, guppies, swordtails, maybe the odd population of convicts. Now these are gonna be the only fish you may be able to keep? Again, arse backwards.
I don't see this proposal going through in it's entirety. I'm sure some things are going on the noxious list(bichirs, cichla, aros are my bets) but the industry is going to go mental if they pull a blanket ban. Regardless, many serious collectors already have specimens of dubious origin as far as our allowable imports list is concerned and any changes to our lists is unlikely to affect that side of the hobby.
As for the whole dumping "problem", gimme a break. No-one is gonna be dumping a fish worth hundreds of dollars when they tire of it or it gets to big. Our exotics market is quite capable of re-homing any unwanted tankbusters. One just has to check the classifieds on any aus forum to realise this. Also I'm yet to hear about established populations of exotics and tankbusters. All the problem feral fish(tilapia excluded) are bread and butter fish, goldfish, koi, guppies, swordtails, maybe the odd population of convicts. Now these are gonna be the only fish you may be able to keep? Again, arse backwards.
I don't see this proposal going through in it's entirety. I'm sure some things are going on the noxious list(bichirs, cichla, aros are my bets) but the industry is going to go mental if they pull a blanket ban. Regardless, many serious collectors already have specimens of dubious origin as far as our allowable imports list is concerned and any changes to our lists is unlikely to affect that side of the hobby.
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masone;2361717; said:
apparently there are well established populations of cichlids, such as jack dempseys and convicts, in dams in northern NSW.
there was a paper done by the government on the 26 odd species of fish that had gotten out and bred in the wild. there is a lot of cichlids that did this. not just goldfish and koi and gambusia and trout..
koi will not likley be banned. the society has already complained about this and they will likley make the european carp model banned only. not import. only those on the allowble list could be legally imported.
some of these fish were illegally imported adn others were already here a long time prior.
the thing here guys is that these fish have been on a grey list a long while and most of that list was not allowable to begin with. this allowed the sale breeding and ownership to carry on pretty much freely.
the ornamental fish policy working group paper was sent out to stakeholders. major importers, fish farmers etc.
it was not advertised that much.
you could have made a submission to have a fish species looked into further etc. generaly if you made money out of it you would object. that would be taken into consideration when it hits the table.
the date for that submision process is now over.
just now, a few days prior to the final date for submisions some forums began threads in this.
then it jumped around the net forum to forum.
there is still a lot of misinformation going around about what is happenineg and what had happened.
i will answer any questions you may have here. if i know the answers but i have read a lot of info about this and so could help with most questions.
the forums and hobbysists have been made aware too late and they are compaining a lot and the gov is taking their complaints into consideration.
however they will not be dropping this that easy no way.
they have spent years and a lot of work on this.
they will then be stopping the sale of the fish. they will be emplyiong people/ officers to police the shops and possibly even forums.
why? becasue they identified that the environment is at risk. they proabbly will be erring on the side of caution and one main problem i see is if they wish to not so much have state by state noxious lists and then a federal list.
they went about working out which species are risky. scientifically. YES. they have a risk assesment model to go by.
they will be going ahead with this. they may be somewhat pressured into being more leniant and considering hobbyists etc BUT half of the grey list has been reviewed from a scientific stance then the info goes to the table to decide on what to do on each fish. i personally made a submission to allow the arowana and it is not that a risky species here. if it wasnt i would not have bothered.
i have faith in the scientific review for that species. the others i dont know about.
it took me months to research and write the submisiion. now its a case of wait and see.
i will post more when i find out what happens tommorow. the 7th of novemebr is the day when they will be having their next meeting to talk about the fish on the "newer" grey list.
koi will not likley be banned. the society has already complained about this and they will likley make the european carp model banned only. not import. only those on the allowble list could be legally imported.
some of these fish were illegally imported adn others were already here a long time prior.
the thing here guys is that these fish have been on a grey list a long while and most of that list was not allowable to begin with. this allowed the sale breeding and ownership to carry on pretty much freely.
the ornamental fish policy working group paper was sent out to stakeholders. major importers, fish farmers etc.
it was not advertised that much.
you could have made a submission to have a fish species looked into further etc. generaly if you made money out of it you would object. that would be taken into consideration when it hits the table.
the date for that submision process is now over.
just now, a few days prior to the final date for submisions some forums began threads in this.
then it jumped around the net forum to forum.
there is still a lot of misinformation going around about what is happenineg and what had happened.
i will answer any questions you may have here. if i know the answers but i have read a lot of info about this and so could help with most questions.
the forums and hobbysists have been made aware too late and they are compaining a lot and the gov is taking their complaints into consideration.
however they will not be dropping this that easy no way.
they have spent years and a lot of work on this.
they will then be stopping the sale of the fish. they will be emplyiong people/ officers to police the shops and possibly even forums.
why? becasue they identified that the environment is at risk. they proabbly will be erring on the side of caution and one main problem i see is if they wish to not so much have state by state noxious lists and then a federal list.
they went about working out which species are risky. scientifically. YES. they have a risk assesment model to go by.
they will be going ahead with this. they may be somewhat pressured into being more leniant and considering hobbyists etc BUT half of the grey list has been reviewed from a scientific stance then the info goes to the table to decide on what to do on each fish. i personally made a submission to allow the arowana and it is not that a risky species here. if it wasnt i would not have bothered.
i have faith in the scientific review for that species. the others i dont know about.
it took me months to research and write the submisiion. now its a case of wait and see.
i will post more when i find out what happens tommorow. the 7th of novemebr is the day when they will be having their next meeting to talk about the fish on the "newer" grey list.