Bearded Dragon "Glass" Surfing?

[doomiedee]

I don't need your help. You've already offered whatever meagre offerings you have. I'm talking about your arrogance on research, it has nothing to do with handling does it? Well clearly not to you. So now trust is the "first major part" of reptile keeping? Give me a break. And sure you do know what you're doing. But do you know enough of my scenario to believe that what you're doing should be what I'm doing?

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I fail to see how my research is arrogant. I have yet to provide you any of the links i would've before you tried to belittle me. Yes handling has to do the with research because its something that i learned while researching "why bearded dragons glass surf?" Witch was a problem i had as well and regular handling, hand feeding, bathing, let it rome around freely stopped the glass surfing completely also the aggressiveness. I can literally stick my finger in her open mouth and she wont bit down because of trust. She knows i dont mean to hurt her even if doesn't want to be picked up or given a bath. So you should do some research of your own cause simply googling "why bearded dragons glass surf?" Couldve solved your problem a long time ago and avoided this disaster.

 

[doomiedee]

Oh? Out with the vulgarities now are you? And now it is also an issue of masculinity? lol you really aren't too bright, can't make a rational argument, prefers the art of voice raising and bravado.

Let's see your point here. You told me to cover up the sides, I told you I can't because by default they are covered, and now therefore it becomes a cheap bin from (by the way, not for) a department store.

Do you know how long I've had him? I like how you automatically assume that it's been long enough to build up trust. You are also dogmatic about your training methods on picking him up. I'm not sure myself what's the best way, but I will certainly not stand for something which you cannot seem to explain.

Look. It's simple. All of these things are trade-offs.

Do I increase the temperature and risk the air heating up by too much? What effects will that have? As far as I'm aware, surface temperature is good, but air temperature not so much.

Do I bathe him more frequently and risk some respiratory infection? What are the chances? Is it really applicable in a place where the humidity is always higher than your occasional high humidity places in the states?

Again, according to foto69man, the bearded dragon I have is scared because it is visually impaired from its surroundings. Must I get a new enclosure, or does my previously stated idea have a chance at success?

Let me remind you. You have previously killed two bearded dragons, I have a healthy, active albeit cantankerous one. Therefore, you "GIVE IT PROPER CARE IT NEEDS".

Leave the damn thread, it could do without your input.

Ok lets stop with all this childish crap cause obviously im the only one replying and actually trying to help you out. So ill apologize for losing it a little bit. But i honestly do want to help you or i would've left it alone.

It shouldn't really matter how long you've had him to begin handling. I gave mine the first few days to get used to the enclosure and become comfortable then i slowly started to try to pick her up. If you ever saw the worlds aggressive beardie video on youtube. Thats exactly how my girl was when i got her. I had to build her trust. So i started by trying to touch her. She would flare up and open her mouth so i would do a trick i learned from webereptiles and thats hand feed her when she opens her mouth to bit my. After a few days she stopped and would let me touch her and repeated the same step with food till she let me pick her up and so on. Like i said before trust is a major part of reptile keeping.

Temperature wise i dont like to mess with that too much witch is my her tank is set up so she can freely move to where she is comfortable. But the air in the tank tub whatever should feel different less humid. If you worry about too much get a humidity gage set one outside in the room hes in and one inside his tub. (Witch im guessing you've done.)
Try the dehumidifier if needed.

Baths are really supposed to be done once weekly so you dont have do it how i do. I do it so frequently because i know she only poops in the bath and it reduces me having to clean her enclosure frequently other then cleaning her food up. Respiratory infections will occur if he is over exposed to high humidity so a 5-15 min once a week will NOT hurt him.
I doubt it has much effect anyways because there are many breeders based out of Florida witch is one of the most humid states in us but im not 100% sure

Yes i do feel the fact that the lizard can not see its surrounding and what coming does have some effects on its behavior. I cant speak om this much because i've seen breeders keep beardies in them fine. But im guessing that yours is fairly new to you and hasnt become fully comfortable because it doesn't know what else is out there so to speak. Im all honesty i would recommend a new enclosure something that you can better control the tank conditions in and makes him feel more at home.


Yeah i admit lossing too but i learned from it and i didnt be little or knock any thing or one one the info i was given and learned from it.


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[snakefin]

Okay, these are fair comments and I accept them. Just wondering how long has it taken for your beardie to calm down and let you pick her up?

I'm currently doing that mouth stuffing technique when it flares up. Also putting worms on my palm and stroking it's head daily.

My problems with temperature is that a rise in the temperature of the basking spot may result in heated air temperatures that are uncomfortable. I worry because I've seen him gape under the basking lamps several times. I'm not sure about this trade off, particularly when he does not appear to have issues with digestion.

Okay if it is true that the dudes in Florida have no humidity issues with bearded dragons, I'll probably go ahead and do the baths with a reduced frequency. Anyone has anything to say about this?
Probably get a dehumidifier soon. It is uncomfortable, this level of humidity but it is a consequence of the country's geographic location.

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[doomiedee]

It hasn't completely she allows it when she wants but if she isnt in the mood she gets back to her old ways. I just learned to read her emotions to know when she doesn't want to be messed. Like if shes being overly aggressive like full black beard gaped mouth spins and snaps when i try to scoop her up. I only had her for two months now and shes made alot of progess from how she was when i first got her

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[doomiedee]

From what i found when they gape their mouth open os to regulate thier body temperature since they dont sweat their saliva cools thier body kind of like a dog.

It could also be a sign of respiratory infection witch i see why you was so concerned before

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[Rachel.Cody]

How would you like being trapped in something you cant see out of first of all. Get him a damn tank. Or you could build him one out of plywood and plexiglass for fairly cheap. My dad built my old iguanas cage out of plywood and plexiglass. It was about 8' long, 2' wide and 3' high. Its not hard. do you mist him? If you dont bathe him you can atleast mist him. Blocking the sides means only the beardy can see out of the front. He cant even see out of yours which is probably much worse. You need to get a tank or make one. Theres where you need to start. Not a plastic container, thats for christmas decorations not a reptile.

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[snakefin]

You won't find a plastic container large enough to house a bearded dragon. I converted a fish pond for its use, following the horse drinking totes that some people use for theirs.

Once again, I will have to say that a fish tank isn't my first option. Is it worth the try that I give him elevation points taller than the cage walls (placed so that he can't leave it's perimeters) to get him some semblance of a perspective?

I assure you that he is well hydrated. Bathing as I understood it is a way to get him to simultaneously defecate, not merely drink. I don't get your insistence on watering him given my repeated warnings about humidity and that the issue was never about his water consumption in the first place. Bathing is an acceptable option, misting is not.




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[Nigelk8485]

Well I quit reading about halfway through because it got ridiculous.

However, to the OP, you are the one having issues with your bearded dragon. The people trying to help don't have issues with theirs. Just because you think he will get a respiratory infection from high humidity doesn't negate the fact that maybe you should try out what they are offering. Your lizard won't get an infection from three baths in one week. See if it helps out.

What are the temperatures of your tub? The cool side and basking side. What's the ventilation? I can't imagine a plastic tub getting much air flow through it. How are the three sides blocked out? With random clutter that may confuse and scare your dragon or with a solid color that will be more soothing?

Taking a picture of your setup would be beneficial. Also, like they have mentioned, taking your lizard out to interact and give him exercise.

I have to admit when I first got mine I was terrified of him, even when he was a baby. It only took a couple of weeks of regular handling before he was perfectly fine with being picked up and moved around, and it only took one bite from him to realize that their bites don't really hurt at all. More bark than bite, really.

As for getting him a better enclosure, it would be easy to build one. Mine is currently in a 4'x2'x2' enclosure made of melamine and sliding glass doors, not hard to make at all.

Are you feeding him crickets or insects? Are you leaving them in the cage with him? They may be biting him or irritating him, my dragon hates crickets and roaches, I have to hand feed him or else he freaks out and surfs the glass or digs at the side.


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[snakefin]

Yes, I have to apologise for the ridiculousness. I didn't feel like I was getting sensible, rational answers to what exactly I was dealing with, particularly since I was deemed unreceptive for not applying caresheet advice despite the context of the situation. If anything I would have said the responses were unconsidered.

However, now that you mentioned it, I suppose that occasional baths with a proper attempt at drying him out might not result in much adverse effects at all. I'm not sure how well he'll respond to water but I'll try. Is there a particular way of encouraging defecation in a warm tub?

I would say that it has the same ventilation as the standard glass tank, I mean it's essentially built the same way. The tub is opaque, so by definition, it is a "container" with four black vertical walls. As a matter of fact, he's been glass dancing less nowadays. I am attempting to accustom him to some handling and I'll get him more exercise progressively as he simmers down. Are you sure the bites don't hurt though lol.

Do you mind describing your build? I'm useless with tools and we don't have a home depot or walmart here where we can pick up hardware anytime. It's hard to get hardware here. On that note, a local fish shop is closing down and I may pick up one of their fish tanks for a good price.

I've already increased the temperatures of the basking spot which now stays between 100-110 fahrenheit. The cool spot is about 82-88 fahrenheit. A lot depends on the climate of the country.

Don't worry about the feeding. He's currently on superworms, and will be getting dubia and calcis as soon as the colony gets going. Regarding his behaviour, I actually left a video somewhere in there, which perhaps you might want to take a look at.

 

[Nigelk8485]

I can't find the exact directions I followed but essentially it's this. http://www.instructables.com/id/Bearded-Dragon-Enclosure/

Just a box with sliding glass doors and this one has a screen top, mine has the light fixtures built inside the enclosure.

Glad to hear he's calming down a little, the opaque box may be stressing him out. Not able to really get a view of what's around him, he may feel somewhat trapped. And I'm sure the bites don't hurt. It's more of just a startling experience and you feel pressure, but not enough to make you jerk away or even exclaim "ow."

Superworms have been known to chew on dragons if left in the cage.

But cool cool, glad things are starting to work out. Good luck.




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