Cichlid average size

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Ian21777 said:
How am I ' again' burdened with proof. What you are missing is that im not disputing your quoted record. Im just stating the possibility of bigger unrecorded specimens. Im not saying there is im saying there could be. Or could have been in the past. Why are you so worked up about it anyways?

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So really you are not saying anything.
There "could" be a lochness monster somewhere, bigfoot "could" exist etc...
These are purely SPECULATION, and should not be used for sizes, or to downgrade verified sizes of these fish.
 
pckts said:
What are you not getting here
THE LARGEST SIZE EVER RECORDED, WILD OR NOT is 26'' for a Dovii and 24'' for a Umbee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You do not fish for these fish, without knowing what you are fishing for, you have to go to remote and specific locations to find them, and if you catch a fish that is close to that size, you are going to MEASURE AND WEIGH IT, that is common knowledge.
So once again,
NO DOVII OR UMBEE HAS EVEEEERRRR HIT 30''
EVER!!!!!!
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Not sure why you copied and posted my posts and used a bunch of "!" as well as caps. Nor do I understand why I have already posted pics and official measurements from IGFA, etc. which document my posts which you apparently don't agree with. If you don't like their pages, you might take it up with them, not me.

These are posted and I linked to them:
Dovii's at 32"
Umbi's at 32"
Temensis at 43"

And, while it's wonderful to think that we all know everything, I'm fairly certain that there is no survey and measurement of all the cichlids in Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Colombia, much less the last million years.
 
Well you are taking it to extremes, which does not surprise me. Comparing squeezing a few extra inches out of a fish, that theoretically is feasible, and the existance of mythical beasts is a little childish. and you didn't answer my question. Why are you getting so worked up about it?

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pckts said:
Agreed Dogofwar, that is why, when I see people saying they have seen 30'' dovii or umbee, I know they are wrong. These are the 2 LARGEST species of wild Dovii "26" http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Parachromis dovii/show
and Umbee "24" http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Caquetaia umbrifera/show ,EVER recoded, meaning, they are the EXCEPTION, not the rule.
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Ive actually just looked at your evidence for the first time... YOUR quoted page actually states +32" as the record. 26" is the biggest published photograph. A record sized fish doesnt have to be photographed to be recorded and catalogued. There is nothing there saying it is questionable or fishermans tale. Therefore its legit. If it was questionable there is, on this site, something that would reflect this. Seems like you have been ' hoisted by your own petard' my friend

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Per Cichlid-Forums, another site on sizes. See the attached definition from that forum.

Maximum Size: This is in regards to total length (including the tail) of typical aquarium specimens.
Wild specimens may not attain this size, or may in fact grow larger than aquarium raised individuals
due to various factors. Also consider that this is the typical maximum size and there are exceptional
individuals that will exceed it.


Umbi
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=524 Max=24"
http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Caquetaia umbrifera/show Wild caught record of 32"

Dovii
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=6 Max=24"
http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Parachromis dovii/show Wild caught record of 32"

Temensis
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=529 Max 30"
http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Cichla%20temensis/show http://wrec.igfa.org/WRecDetail.aspx?uid=36425&cn=Peacock, speckled#.UhVPhT_oBGE Wild caught record of 37" or 43"



So, per that site, typical maximum size in aquarium is 24" for Umbis and Dovii, with Temensis at 30", while exceptional fish may be larger in an aquarium, and in the wild, larger still.
 
Drstrangelove said:
Not sure why you copied and posted my posts and used a bunch of "!" as well as caps. Nor do I understand why I have already posted pics and official measurements from IGFA, etc. which document my posts which you apparently don't agree with. If you don't like their pages, you might take it up with them, not me.

These are posted and I linked to them:
Dovii's at 32"
Umbi's at 32"
Temensis at 43"

And, while it's wonderful to think that we all know everything, I'm fairly certain that there is no survey and measurement of all the cichlids in Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Colombia, much less the last million years.
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There is NO link to the umbee or dovii you claim to be that size!
 
Ian21777 said:
Ive actually just looked at your evidence for the first time... YOUR quoted page actually states +32" as the record. 26" is the biggest published photograph. A record sized fish doesnt have to be photographed to be recorded and catalogued. There is nothing there saying it is questionable or fishermans tale. Therefore its legit. If it was questionable there is, on this site, something that would reflect this. Seems like you have been ' hoisted by your own petard' my friend

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So once again, I say that the LARGEST VERIFIED, PROVEN, WEIGHED, etc. Is exactly what I stated, not the LARGEST CLAIMED, with NO WEIGHTS, NO VERFICATION, etc, that is simply a "fish tale"
 
Drstrangelove said:
Per Cichlid-Forums, another site on sizes. See the attached definition from that forum.

Maximum Size: This is in regards to total length (including the tail) of typical aquarium specimens.
Wild specimens may not attain this size, or may in fact grow larger than aquarium raised individuals
due to various factors. Also consider that this is the typical maximum size and there are exceptional
individuals that will exceed it.


Umbi
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=524 Max=24"
http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Caquetaia umbrifera/show Wild caught record of 32"

Dovii
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=6 Max=24"
http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Parachromis dovii/show Wild caught record of 32"

Temensis
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=529 Max 30" http://www.fishing-worldrecords.com/scientificname/Cichla temensis/show Wild caught record of 37" or 43" http://wrec.igfa.org/WRecDetail.aspx?uid=36425&cn=Peacock, speckled#.UhVPhT_oBGE



So, per that site, typical maximum size in aquarium is 24" for Umbis and Dovii, with Temensis at 30", while exceptional fish may be larger in an aquarium, and in the wild, larger still.
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You are simply posting a Characteristic web page with estimations, no references, etc. That is meaningless.
Look at the end of the day, the PROOF is there. Everything else is a claim, with no PROOF to back it.
If we just took peoples words, then everybody knows that aliens exist, bigfoot, the yetti, lochness monster etc... they all exist as well. Hope you guys get the point here, that is, PROOF is the only way to CONCLUSIVELY say what a MAX size or weight for these fish really is.


More proof is this,
For the alleged Umbee of 32'' it has a weight of 27lbs but how is that possible if a
24'' umbee weighed 10 lbs, you are telling me it almost TRIPLED its WEIGHT with just 8 inches. Come on, that is ridiculous and more than enough to question it.
That is why you only use VERIFIED accounts.
Lets not forget the ALLEGED DOVII that was only 6'' longer and DOUBLED THE WEIGHT of the VERIFIED record dovii.
This stuff doesn't seem "fishy" to you, for lack of a better word?
You cant just blindly believe this stuff.
 
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