Electric Blue Jack Dempsey hybrid or not?

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They are not hybrids. You could aslo believe in Nessie, yeti and Alien abductions too. I read those reports they go around in circles and say nothing. Some studies paid for by pro hybrid believers some backed by pro recessive gene supporters. DNA test after DNA test with no definate outcome, BS! They are the same as any other fish bred for a ressive characteristics.
 
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LOL, I fully understand how recessive genes work, but thanks for the science lesson, Burphy. That has nothing to do with definitive proof of whether a fish is a hybrid, or not. Lots of hybrid fish carry recessive genes.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but without proof to support that opinion that's all it really is. I got an EBJD when Rapps first brought them in years ago, and I'm still on the fence undecided. Not a hater, not at all, just undecided, with a lean towards them being pure.
 
But here's the thing... A BGJD is a Jack Dempsey, no? So when you cross a BGJD with another you get 50% EBJD. How does it make it a hybrid if it's parents were 2 "pure" JD?

Ugh! Accedently hit done...

Anyways, I will concede that it is theoretically possible that many many years ago a "Jack Dempsey" crossed with another fish (as cichlids tend to do) to create the he fish that we currently call a JD and that second fish passed on the blue gene as a ressessive trait.

Side note, I'm not really mad, even though I am but you didn't know... Why on Gods green earth does everyone call me "Burphy"?! It's "buphy" as in Buffy the vampire slayer... Sorry, you're not the first person to do it but I don't understand where it's coming from!
 
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Spend some time at various fish farms in SE Asia and you will soon see how easily fish genes can be manipulated, and then buried so deep that a hybrid can eventually breed pure. Selective breeding has been taking place in Asia for thousands of years, and many of these "selectively" bred fish still remain a mystery - such as red spotted severum. I've followed this strain of fish from it's inception in the hobby, and owned them many years back, and there's really nothing new that anyone can state one way or the other that proves much of anything. The evidence thus far, if you can call it that is simply inconclusive.

No offense, but it doesn't appear that you understand the very basics to this equation, and I have no interest in going round & round. Sorry about the user ID mix up.

Peace out.
 
That's fine if you don't want to debate with me on this but I'll leave you with hopefully some closing thoughs.

A) "selective breeding" has been happening for all of man kinds existence. Not always with fish, but with cattle and such. Also, "American" cichlids haven't been distributed for any more than a few 100, not thousands.

B) you can say i don't understand the basics of this "equation" but honestly I'll take science and logical deduction over your apparent conspiracy theories and speculations any day. Fact: when you cross 2 "pure" Jack Dempseys carrying the blue gene you get 50% EBJD. Makes it pure bred, regardless of how the gene got there. That is unless you change the definition of a hybrid, in which case most things on earth are, including humans.
 
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In all fairness you could have an interspific hybrid. Two fish of the same species with slightly different characteristics from different locales. Which is not the same as the hybridization of two separate species.
 
EBJD are not hybrids. Hybrids are the result of 2 different sp. breeding. EBJDs are breeding the same fish w/ a certain gene. This is more selective breeding. The EBJD does occur naturally though. It's a mutation not hybrid. There's a big difference.
 
The EBJD does occur naturally though
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EBJD have never once been seen, let alone collected in the wild.
 
My guess, though I do not have experience with wild JD, is that they see the same fate as albinos in the wild. Also the ones we have are selectively bred. If and when they occurr in the wild, it is far less likely.

Side note, never heard of an albino JD... Anyone else?
 
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