Fish Antibiotics Vet Only in Canada

Go_redfish

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I guess if we keep flushing antibiotics down our drains etc, they have to end up somewhere which is likely waterways where wild fish live and breed...

Which in turn could cause greater impact as wild specimens develop antibiotic restitant strains of certain viruses / diseases...
Its a complicated and far reaching issue. I get it. But you still have hobbyists who are going to be faced with a sick pet and no vet sympathetic or versed with their needs. Most of us have to depend on educating ourselves and having reasonable access to the appropriate meds. Alot of fish people will lose animals they have invested in becasue of this law.
 

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Good time to sue the government then.
 

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But it could be the answer ;).
 

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But it could be the answer ;).
You'd have to have a large eoungh group of people with the same grievance. Govt isn't going to compensate 1 hobbyist for the loss of a pet fish. They aren't going to take that sh** seriously.
 

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Every hobbyist in the country though could be very convincing.... Petitions?
 
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IMO they should have done this 40 yrs ago, this coming from someone who grew up during a time when children and their parents were handed antibiotics from the medical community like it was candy.

https://www.cahi-icsa.ca/antimicrobial-stewardship



I posted the following here on MFK several yrs ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23294440/

Imported ornamental fish are colonized with antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

Rose S, et al. J Fish Dis. 2013.

Abstract
There has been growing concern about the overuse of antibiotics in the ornamental fish industry and its possible effect on the increasing drug resistance in both commensal and pathogenic organisms in these fish. The aim of this study was to carry out an assessment of the diversity of bacteria, including pathogens, in ornamental fish species imported into North America and to assess their antibiotic resistance. Kidney samples were collected from 32 freshwater ornamental fish of various species, which arrived to an importing facility in Portland, Oregon from Colombia, Singapore and Florida. Sixty-four unique bacterial colonies were isolated and identified by PCR using bacterial 16S primers and DNA sequencing. Multiple isolates were identified as bacteria with potential to cause disease in both fish and humans. The antibiotic resistance profile of each isolate was performed for nine different antibiotics. Among them, cefotaxime (16% resistance among isolates) was the antibiotic associated with more activity, while the least active was tetracycline (77% resistant). Knowing information about the diversity of bacteria in imported ornamental fish, as well as the resistance profiles for the bacteria will be useful in more effectively treating clinical infected fish, and also potential zoonoses in the future.


And a follow up of that study.

https://today.oregonstate.edu/archi...industry-faces-problems-antibiotic-resistance

Ornamental fish industry faces problems with antibiotic resistance

January 15, 2013
NEWPORT, Ore. - The $15 billion ornamental fish industry faces a global problem with antibiotic resistance, a new study concludes, raising concern that treatments for fish diseases may not work when needed - and creating yet another mechanism for exposing humans to antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

The risk to humans is probably minor unless they frequently work with fish or have compromised immune systems, researchers said, although transmission of disease from tropical fish has been shown to occur. More serious is the risk to this industry, which has grown significantly in recent years, and is now a $900 million annual business in the United States.

There are few regulations in the U.S. or elsewhere about treating ornamental fish with antibiotics, experts say. Antibiotics are used routinely, such as when fish are facing stress due to transport, whether or not they have shown any sign of disease.

"We expected to find some antibiotic resistance, but it was surprising to find such high levels, including resistance in some cases where the antibiotic is rarely used," said Tim Miller-Morgan, a veterinary aquatics specialist with Oregon State University. "We appear to already have set ourselves up for some pretty serious problems within the industry."

In the new study, 32 freshwater fish of various species were tested for resistance to nine different antibiotics, and some resistance was found to every antibiotic. The highest level of resistance, 77 percent, was found with the common antibiotic tetracycline. The fish were tested in Portland, Ore., after being transported from Colombia, Singapore and Florida.

Findings of the study were reported in the Journal of Fish Diseases.

The bacterial infections found in the fish included Aeromonas, Pseudomonas, Staphylococcus and others, several of which can infect both fish and humans.

"The range of resistance is often quite disturbing," the scientists wrote in their report. "It is not uncommon to see resistance to a wide range of antibiotic classes, including beta-lactams, macrolides, tetracyclines, sulphonamides, quinolones, cephalosporins and chloramphenicol."

Problems and concerns with antibiotic resistance have been growing for years, Miller-Morgan said. The nature of the resistance can range widely, causing an antibiotic to lose some, or all of its effectiveness.

There have been documented cases of disease transmission from fish to humans, he said, but it's not common. It would be a particular concern for anyone with a weak or compromised immune system, he pointed out, and people with such health issues should discuss tropical fish management with their physician. Workers who constantly handle tropical fish may also face a higher level of risk.

From an industry perspective, losses of fish to bacterial disease may become increasingly severe, he said, because antibiotics will lose their effectiveness.

Anyone handling tropical fish can use some basic precautions that should help, Miller-Morgan said. Consumers should buy only healthy fish; avoid cleaning tanks with open cuts or sores on their hands; use gloves; immediately remove sick fish from tanks; consider quarantining all new fish in a separate tank for 30 days; wash hands after working with fish; and never use antibiotics in a fish tank unless actually treating a known fish disease caused by bacteria.

"We don't think individuals should ever use antibiotics in a random, preventive or prophylactic method," Miller-Morgan said. "Even hobbyists can learn more about how to identify tropical fish parasites and diseases, and use antibiotics only if a bacterial disease is diagnosed."

On an industry level, he said, considerable progress could be made with improvements in fish husbandry, better screening and handling, and use of quarantines, rather than antibiotics, to reduce fish disease.

The ornamental fish industry is large and diverse, including trade of more than 6,000 species of freshwater and marine fish from more than 100 different countries. About half the supply originates in Asia, and freshwater farming of ornamental fish is a rapidly growing industry.



Also increasing is the number of trained fish veterinarians, who can help fish hobbyists to reduce disease loss and save treasured pets. More information is available from the World Aquatic Veterinary Medical Association and the American Association of Fish Veterinarians. A database of aquatic veterinarians is available online, at http://aquavetmed.info
 

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This needs to go to a seperate thread but ive read up on it a bit. When you read between the lines it sounds to me like the only real benifit is for lining the pockets of vets and those related to that industry. Fish keepers are really going to suffer for this one
When you read between the lines, the long term benefit is going to hopefully be a world where super bugs don't exist. Bugs created by the improper use, and abuse, of antibiotics.

For those interested, below is a link to the details.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-hea...s/actions/responsible-use-antimicrobials.html


The FDA has their eye on this ball as well, for additional reasons - that being humans taking fish medication in the USA. This is why some of the big box stores dropped certain meds from their shelves.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...you-shouldnt-take-fish-antibiotics-180964523/


https://mashable.com/2017/08/06/fish-antibiotics-america-healthcare/#JyZRrP_iPOq4
 

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This is why I applaud those companies seeking more naturally-based ways of dealings with these buggers (not that I can personally say this is the only/best approach).

For example as relates to my post in Freshwater Diseases & Health Issues about Ocean Free's 'O' natural/herbal based medicine -- I really don't know if it truly does 100% of what it says on the label (and like RD wish they'd back up their claims with some scientifically based studies/publications, and also dislike the fact they don't list their 'secret' ingredients) -- but they do clearly state 'O' won't harm any fish, plants, beneficial bacteria or the environment. If this part is true (and it does at least half of what it claims disease treatment and prevention-wise) at least they are taking more steps in a positive direction in this regard than most other aqua companies, East or West.

In any case, while I'm not personally affected by this (as much as I'd love to live in Canada part of the year:) agreed this development in the hobby deserves its own post -- I wonder which countries will follow Canada's current approach to this issue?
 

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The UK went this route years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if many parts of the EU are the same. Canada isn't exactly leading the charge here.

I commented on this several yrs ago when I posted what is now a sticky on probiotics in aquaculture. This is exactly why so many commercial farms have now incorporated the use of probiotics in their water, and/or feed.

From 2013 …………………..…..
Now factor in what has taken place in the aquatic trade over the past 10-15 years, starting around the time that internet trade became very popular among hobbyists. Not only are we seeing a lot more fish from areas where super intensive farm practices are in use, but also where these same commercial farms are known for their use of antibiotics, steroids, hormones, and a plethora of other drugs that would never be allowed in fish destined for human consumption. (in America)

The problem is that some of these bacteria are known to evolve very quickly, and many strains have over time become resistant to traditional drugs. It is for this reason that commercial aquaculture circles are now seeking alternative routes to treating fish pathogens via more natural methods, but the reality is they are now only doing so due to their own large scale & long term abuse of medications such as antibiotics.

Today every man & his dog has become an importer of fish, and just like the person that just flew in from SE Asia carrying a new strain of influenza, some of these imported farm fish are carrying their own viral & bacterial mutations when they arrive here.
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The world needs to wake the F up. A tropical fish dying in someone's tank/pond should be the least of our worries.


And Barrett, unfortunately large corporations such as Qian Hu that don't list ingredients, will have a much more difficult time getting their "natural" products into countries such as mine. Most Asian made fish foods are smuggled in, as I would guess all meds are. The CFIA here cracked down on tropical fish food years ago when the Chinese were caught using melamine in pet food to boost nitrogen (protein) levels.
 
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