Fishless Cycling

Anthony20

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Hey Zen, I'm new to the forum and have always cycled my tanks using fish and stability, but I've decided to do it the way you stated in the first page since I have time cause my frontosas are growing out in another tank and for now. I'm cycling a 125G tank and have a couple bags of gravel from an established tank and a hob emperor 400 from an established tank. My question for now is would the ammonia from ACE Hardware store be ok?? It says on the label

Ammonia
Janitor Strength
Contains 10% ammonium hydroxide
Contains NO phosphates

Also says may cause burns and all that good stuff lol
Is this brand ok?

Thanks again Zen
 

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Anthony20;3523803; said:
Hey Zen, I'm new to the forum and have always cycled my tanks using fish and stability, but I've decided to do it the way you stated in the first page since I have time cause my frontosas are growing out in another tank and for now. I'm cycling a 125G tank and have a couple bags of gravel from an established tank and a hob emperor 400 from an established tank. My question for now is would the ammonia from ACE Hardware store be ok?? It says on the label

Ammonia
Janitor Strength
Contains 10% ammonium hydroxide
Contains NO phosphates

Also says may cause burns and all that good stuff lol
Is this brand ok?

Thanks again Zen
Welcome to MFK, Anthony...
If you take and shake the crap out of the bottle, I mean give it a good hard shake, then set it on the table and observe the bubbles...
If it looks to have soapy bubbles, any foam that doesn't disapate, NO GO!
If it acts like a bottle of water, and the bubbles flatten out and pop right off, you'll be good to go...

NO PHOSPHATES usually means it's soapless.
10% is some good strong stuff too...

Good luck and remember to record your results, it is easier to keep track of...~B;):popcorn:
 

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Anthony20;3525337; said:
Thanks Zen, ya I'm righting a results down daily to see how long this takes for a good complete cycle.
You are most certainly welcome!
Another commonly missed step is to be sure you raise the temp to the mid f80's and then adjust it back down before you add fish...;)
 

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Lets say that you get to the point of the water change, de-chlor and temp adjustment.
How much time do you have to get fish in the tank, hours or days ???



zennzzo;2668995; said:
Fishless cycling...

It has come to my attention, that there several times that I have had to explain "Fishless Cycling".

Every new tank, with new filtration, has to be cycled to be safe for aquatic life. What is meant by "cycled"?
"Cycled" is a reference to the Nitrogen cycle. This is the bio filtration that happens in our filters.
In short,
"Ammonia" (toxic fish waste) is converted by bacteria into
"Nitrite" (toxic as well) then converted by a second type of bacteria into
"Nitrate"(basicaly harmless in low concentrations) that gasses off in the Aquarium.

This read is not for the advanced water chemist, this read is directed to
those fishkeepers that do not know what the nitrogen cycle is, and have had problems with keeping fish alive and well in their new tanks and with new filtration...

OK to start off there are a few things that you are going to have to have PERIOD...
1)Water test kit (Ammonia,Nitrite,Nitrate)
2)patience
3)Commitment to cycle the tank completely
4)Pure household Ammonia (clear w/no soaps or fragrance)
a)shake bottle- if there are bubbles - no good
if it looks like water - way good
5)Aquarium needing cycling with the water set to 85 degrees F.
6)Filtration, installed and working properly.

First thing, first...
Bacteria thrives in water over 80 degrees F.
Make sure to set the temp to 85 degrees F.

Next you need to know how much water you have. Use the conversion chart here http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/calc.php

Once you determine how much water you have in the system, de-chlorinated the water with a de-chlorinator that does not contain anything that says "eliminates ammonia etc." I use stresscoat and I know that works.

Now, you'll add 5 DROPS of Ammonia per 10 gallons, no more no less. Pick a time of day that you'll be able to take readings, everyday, for a couple of weeks.

Do this everyday until you see a measurable amount of Nitrites.
When you have a Nitrite reading, this means you have started the nitrogen cycle and are effectively growing the Beneficial Bacteria, that converts the Ammonia into Nitrite. We are half way there.

Now you will lower the amount of Ammonia to 3 drops per 10 gallons per day. You will do this until you get a reading of
0 Ammonia and 0 Nitrites. ZERO means ZERO, no matter how long it takes to get there. You are now building the Bacteria that converts the Nitrite into Nitrate.

Ok, so now we are adding 3 drops per 10 gallons of water daily.
We are getting a reading of Zero Ammonia / Zero Nitrite and we have a Nitrate reading of 20-40 ppm. You are almost there.

You need to do a 50% waterchange with de-chlorinated water and adjust your temperature. Now is the time to get your fish. Acclimate them and get them in your properly cycled tank...enjoy them as they will be enjoying your correct water parameters...

I hope this gets you on the right track right off...If you have any questions PM me, I'll be glad to help out...
 

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oswego;3526204; said:
Lets say that you get to the point of the water change, de-chlor and temp adjustment.
How much time do you have to get fish in the tank, hours or days ???
I would think 24 hours is fine.
You can keep the tank cycled
(beneficial bacteria alive and thriving)
indefinitely, with ammonia at 3 drops per 10 gallons of Aquarium water. When you are ready to add fish, do a water/change and put your fish in.
 

Anthony20

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Hey zen sorry to bother with another question, but I wanted to know what if the ammonia I'm using does have some bubbles?? What would happen?

and one more I'm adding 60 drops daily and my ammonia is like you said at 4, do I keep adding the ammonia everyday till I get readings of Nitrite and then drop to the 3 drops per ten gallons?

Thanks again very much for your help on this way of cycling.
 

Anthony20

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I'm asking about the bubbles thing cause I did shake the bottle real hard and 90% of the bubbles popped right away but that other 10% stay a little longer, but I went ahead and started using it cause I read earlier that several people have used the one from ACE Hardware... Thanks again
 

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Anthony20;3536942; said:
Hey zen sorry to bother with another question, but I wanted to know what if the ammonia I'm using does have some bubbles?? What would happen?

and one more I'm adding 60 drops daily and my ammonia is like you said at 4, do I keep adding the ammonia everyday till I get readings of Nitrite and then drop to the 3 drops per ten gallons?

Thanks again very much for your help on this way of cycling.
YES exactly...then continue at 3 per 10 gallons till Ammonia is at zero as well as the NitrItes at zero...then the nitrAtes should fall in right at 40ppm...
 
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