Gold Saum and Green Terror difference?

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I believe this is a Gold Saum. Not sure but is there much of a difference between these and a green Terror?

Someone with more knowledge on the subject please let me know. I see websites that advertise the gold Saum as a green Terror. uploadfromtaptalk1335919548910.jpg

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It is a gold saum. And they are green terrors even though they are so called false green terrors they almost exactly the same just one has a white or silver saum and the is gold. All it is a resessive gene. Just like electric blue jack dempseys and regular jack dempseys

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Fake green terror???? That really depends on who your talking too but green terror and gold saum is one of the same. There are some who call them fake green terror but that all a matter of preferance. There are several fish called green terror. The green terror you have in your pic is also known as a Gold Saum.
 
Google "andinoacara stalsbergi" and that's what's referred to as a true green terror. The difference between the 2 are the scale markings on its sides. Compare the 2 and you will see what im talking about. The Saums have black dots that are straight front to back. andinoacara stalsbergi has white dots which are more of a honeycomb pattern not straight lines.


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The "true" (original) Green Terror is the Andinoacara stalsbergi. If you ever had one, you´d see why they called them that.

The gold saum or white saum depending on the color of the fin are"Aequidens rivulatus".

Different species as you see.

The A. rivulatus were originally called false green terror (they´re almost mellow compared to the stalsbergi) and, as time went by and the stalsbergi become rarer in the trade (as opposed to the rivulatus) everybody started calling GT to the rivulatus.

That´s the problem with common names.
 
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Green terror is a commom name for all three sub species: Andinoacara stalsbergi, Andinoacara sp. Gold/Silver saum and Andinoacara rivulatus.

They were formely Aequidens, but have been renamed as Andinoacara. The common name fake green terror stems from when the Saum was first introduced into the hobby as Green terror, despite the stalsbergi already being named as such. Therefore, someone decided to name them as fake green terrors to differentiate. This didn't really stick, so they named stalsbergi the 'True' greer terror. Which has worked out better. Finally, after a change around they will now be refered to (or should be) Gold, Silver or white Saums. White or silver are the same. Whilst Andinoacara rivulatus is a whole different kettle of fish!

I have currently 3 Andinoacara stalsbergi (The true green terror) and let me tell you they are amply named, as they are true terrors. The aggression of these vs saums is massive. They have an inverted scale pattern whereby the centre of the scales contains the colour, whereas on saums, it is the outside of the scales where the colour is. The stalsbergi grow smaller at around 8-9" max whereas saums are 10"+. The stalsbergi colours are very different, if you give them a search on google you'll se what I mean.

They are both great fish to keep. However, If faced with a choice I would always go stalsbergi. After keeping them both I personally find this to be the more interesting species. Also, they aren't as common - which I kind of like. So there isn't a set rule to keeping them, as is with saums. The only downside is can find little info on them.

I hope this makes sense and isn't information overload. My specialty is Green terrors and you wouldn't believe the amount of research I have done :)
 
Thank everyone for all the info. Im pretty happy with my Gold Saum Terror. He shows slight aggression at times but is pretty cool for the most part. About 4in and his colors r just starting to come out.

So far so good!

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thanks for that GrantA94, I had always wondered also but never understood it now I do!

The genus Andinoacara is a funny one. I may be wrong in how I understand it. But I hope not! All the reseaech I have done suggest what I said as true, so who knows!?

Anyway, glad I helped clear it up :)
 
It is a gold saum. And they are green terrors even though they are so called false green terrors they almost exactly the same just one has a white or silver saum and the is gold. All it is a resessive gene. Just like electric blue jack dempseys and regular jack dempseys

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That's incorrect. There's two species that go under the common name Green Terror. That's the Rivulatus and the Stalsbergi.

Joao's post is spot on.
 
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