MMA News and Notes
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I think the MMA should be less public about failed tests. Unless you're going to strip wins/titles, it doesn't benefit anyone. Tell the fighters involved, privately hand out the punishment, make them sign a confidentiality agreement and move on with your life. Im getting to the point that they're all on drugs going into a fight and all injures are overcome with help from steroid.
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I think you're looking at it in the same way as ball and team sports.
mma isn't trying to run a ball across a line or put it through a hoop along with their team. it's an individual sport and their job is to physically beat the other into unconsciousness or submission inside a cage or ring. it doesn't operate under the same model as other sports
they have to be the way it is. besides, failed drugs tests will get results of a fight overturned. people will know right away if a win all of a sudden shows up as a no contest or something
mma isn't trying to run a ball across a line or put it through a hoop along with their team. it's an individual sport and their job is to physically beat the other into unconsciousness or submission inside a cage or ring. it doesn't operate under the same model as other sports
they have to be the way it is. besides, failed drugs tests will get results of a fight overturned. people will know right away if a win all of a sudden shows up as a no contest or something
I don't care about individual or not. Ball sport or not. I care about public perception and branding of the sport. You really think this negative perception is helping anything? What positive is coming out of this? I'd rather it continues to grow
So fill me in, the results of the contest are overturned but nothing happens? Just because people know they're overturned means people know why?
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So fill me in, the results of the contest are overturned but nothing happens? Just because people know they're overturned means people know why?
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Did Jon jones vacate his win? He could've just been fined quietly and handed a suspension and publicly just not have a fight until his suspension was over. Who would even know? then he could've dealt with his problems privately. Instead now you got back to back PPV events with drug problems.
Steroid is a whole different story but substance abuse is a far lesser violation
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Steroid is a whole different story but substance abuse is a far lesser violation
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what else would it be? a win suddenly changes to no contest. and unless i'm wrong I think fines and suspensions are public. if a fight result was changed, the reason is always made public. like if it was an illegal eye poke that the ref just didn't see and it led to a fighter being tko'd or whatever. that fighter can file an appeal and the case would get reviewed and the fighter can get the fight result changed. but there'd be no reason to not have that be public.
I can see hiding it if a failed test was known before the fight happens and the fight is cancelled. then they can say it was a medical reason. but even then it would look shady as hell because when fights are cancelled it's usually due to an injury that is made public. if a fight is just cancelled for unknown reasons it's likely a failed drug test.
of course it's a negative perception. but time will go by and the sport will move on. like they have in the Olympics, boxing, baseball, etc. the sport will go on
in jones' case, first of all, banned substances are separated into three groups. one group is banned in-competition. in-competition I believe is like day before the fight, day of the fight and day after. (I could be wrong on the exact specifics of the window) Another group of banned substances is banned in-competition but not banned out of competition. out of competition is basically a certain amount of time outside of what is considered "in-competition." then there is the group of banned substances that is banned any time. and that's the steroids and human growth hormones and stuff like that.
what jones' was caught with was a substance that isn't on the banned substance list out of competition. so the athletic commission can't do anything to him or his record or the fight result. the ufc can do whatever they want with the failed test news within the company. they can strip him of the title, they can fine him or whatever. even let him go if they wanted to. but that's all they can do. they can't keep him, but not allow him to fight. they'd get a lawsuit for that
I can see hiding it if a failed test was known before the fight happens and the fight is cancelled. then they can say it was a medical reason. but even then it would look shady as hell because when fights are cancelled it's usually due to an injury that is made public. if a fight is just cancelled for unknown reasons it's likely a failed drug test.
of course it's a negative perception. but time will go by and the sport will move on. like they have in the Olympics, boxing, baseball, etc. the sport will go on
in jones' case, first of all, banned substances are separated into three groups. one group is banned in-competition. in-competition I believe is like day before the fight, day of the fight and day after. (I could be wrong on the exact specifics of the window) Another group of banned substances is banned in-competition but not banned out of competition. out of competition is basically a certain amount of time outside of what is considered "in-competition." then there is the group of banned substances that is banned any time. and that's the steroids and human growth hormones and stuff like that.
what jones' was caught with was a substance that isn't on the banned substance list out of competition. so the athletic commission can't do anything to him or his record or the fight result. the ufc can do whatever they want with the failed test news within the company. they can strip him of the title, they can fine him or whatever. even let him go if they wanted to. but that's all they can do. they can't keep him, but not allow him to fight. they'd get a lawsuit for that
Fines don't have to be public, even in other sports. a suspension in MMA really does not have to be public as it's not unusual for a fighter to go huge gaps between fights. Even suspension in other sports are often releases as "substance abuse policy" or "performance enhancing drug policy". They don't always tell the specifics. Yet I know everything these guys put in their body in MMA.
We got both dudes failing a test? Just scold them, handle your business and move on. It needs to be dealt with but it doesn't have to be public. Same with Jon jones. The public didn't need to know a word.
Pointing out how boxing has shot it's self in the foot into a niche sport will NEVER help your argument. Ever. you might as well leave the comparison out of this forever
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We got both dudes failing a test? Just scold them, handle your business and move on. It needs to be dealt with but it doesn't have to be public. Same with Jon jones. The public didn't need to know a word.
Pointing out how boxing has shot it's self in the foot into a niche sport will NEVER help your argument. Ever. you might as well leave the comparison out of this forever
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ok so you don't like the idea of publically announcing the exact drug they failed for?
but just announce that it was a failed drug test?
but just announce that it was a failed drug test?
