need help in identifying super red arowana
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RD.;5057142; said:And that link is supposed to prove what exactly?
I'm not arguing the fact that there are variations, color morphs, etc among the various red arowana bred at various farms, I am referring only to wild specimens.
Can you provide any links showing wild caught reds, showing these various different traits that you keep referring to? I think not.
Once again, these so called "different" lakes are all part of the same watershed, they are all interconnected, and during the dry season they all flow back into the head waters of the Kapuas River. These are not isolated bodies of water where somehow some red aros have over the years magically transformed to have different body shapes, caudal fin shape, longer pectoral fins, and different shaped heads.
During a lengthy or very dry, dry season, they pretty much dry up, which is why they are referred to as seasonal lakes. No different than what one would find in the Amazon. In some years those massive flooded areas end up being nothing more than a small pocket of water, where fisherman can easily cherry pick each & every fish out of the water. This is precisely why the fisherman in this area fish heavily during the dry season.
What part of this do you not understand?
In Lake Santarum, during the rainy season the depth of the lake may reach 6-8 metres, flooding the surrounding areas and forest. During the dry season, when the level of the Kapuas river gradually drops, water from Lake Sentarum flows into Kapuas to restore the water deficit and keep the water level of the river relatively stable.
Eventually, when the dry season reaches its climax, Lake Sentarum and the surrounding areas become a vast stretch of dry land, the fish from the lake inhabiting small, scattered ponds.
To date there have been no distinctions observed by researchers between the various red aros in the wild. Beyond internet folklore, there is no proof whatsoever that any such fish exist.
What you & others are seeing are differences between farm bred fish, where various physical traits can easily be bred in or out of the fish.
Selective breeding has been used for thousands of years, aro breeders certainly didn't invent line breeding, or cross breeding.
we are not talking about different variants that farms breed we are talking about wild variantys
i keep forgetting RD you are a expert on every fish i have been keeping for the past 20 years with the exception of red aros
people shouldnt read forums they should just PM you as you seam to know everything can you let me know the weather in the london area i would watch the weather forcast but they would be wrong and you would be right
Stay on topic, please. Attacking other members can only result in disciplinary actions. Thanks for you attention in this matter and have a nice day.
Since when has MFK been a place were you can't say this and you can't say that it's just a little bit of light banta me and RD have from time to time after all he is a fish god in his own right you can tell that by that great looking wild caught fish he has in his avitar
It has been noted on papers I have read but they can't exist as RD hasn't read then so they can't be out and I can't seam to find them
That there was 2 types of red found in the wild found at different locations or lakes that each had very different carictaristics
You we all know they all have the same Latin name but so do xback and red but they are a totally different fish
Some differences between the 2 types of red found
Spoon head on one and not the other
Body shape one was longer and slimmer the other had more body mass
Dorsal fin 1 had one more ray than the other
Colour one was a darker red with a much deeper core colour
If this was not true and there are no differences were did the original spoonhead come from you can say line breeding if you like but you still need to start with a fish or 2 with spoonhead to push that gene forward
It has been noted on papers I have read but they can't exist as RD hasn't read then so they can't be out and I can't seam to find them
That there was 2 types of red found in the wild found at different locations or lakes that each had very different carictaristics
You we all know they all have the same Latin name but so do xback and red but they are a totally different fish
Some differences between the 2 types of red found
Spoon head on one and not the other
Body shape one was longer and slimmer the other had more body mass
Dorsal fin 1 had one more ray than the other
Colour one was a darker red with a much deeper core colour
If this was not true and there are no differences were did the original spoonhead come from you can say line breeding if you like but you still need to start with a fish or 2 with spoonhead to push that gene forward
here i try hel you, the Super Red Arowana with Grade 1is look like these :
See the Tail, not look like umbrella, thats specific identity of SUPER RED Arowana
See the Tail, not look like umbrella, thats specific identity of SUPER RED Arowana
A nod is as good as a wink, to a blind horse. 
Actually no, they don't all have the same Latin name, and had you read any of the links provided in this discussion that would be rather obvious.
The "super red" arowana has been described as Scleropages legendrei for several yrs now.
Could be as simple as a recessive gene that only expressed itself in a very small percentage of offspring in the wild population, which was later selectively bred for by farm owners. It is quite possible for two "normal" bullet head shaped parents, to throw a small percentage of spoon head offspring. From those offspring an entire new domestic strain could quite easily be developed.
I have no problem with others having an opinion that doesn't match mine, all I'm asking for is something concrete, something more than just the regurgitation of something that someone read on the internet.
BTW - the fish shown in my avatar isn't mine. That photo was taken by one of the mods here on MFK, who then graciously allowed me permission to use that photo. I have also kept my fair share of wild caught fish over the years, I guess I wasn't aware that doing so would allow me some kind of an elevated status level on fish forums. lol
Actually no, they don't all have the same Latin name, and had you read any of the links provided in this discussion that would be rather obvious.
The "super red" arowana has been described as Scleropages legendrei for several yrs now.
Could be as simple as a recessive gene that only expressed itself in a very small percentage of offspring in the wild population, which was later selectively bred for by farm owners. It is quite possible for two "normal" bullet head shaped parents, to throw a small percentage of spoon head offspring. From those offspring an entire new domestic strain could quite easily be developed.
I have no problem with others having an opinion that doesn't match mine, all I'm asking for is something concrete, something more than just the regurgitation of something that someone read on the internet.
BTW - the fish shown in my avatar isn't mine. That photo was taken by one of the mods here on MFK, who then graciously allowed me permission to use that photo. I have also kept my fair share of wild caught fish over the years, I guess I wasn't aware that doing so would allow me some kind of an elevated status level on fish forums. lol
i do believe that once there was 2 type super red inhibited the kapuas basin regions ... the upstream and downstream river and they have their own kind traits ... i know that i cant prove it coz there wasnt any wc super red anymore, but local dayak ppl said that small number super red still inhibited the kapuas basin regions but they have migrated more up to upstream into the heart jungle of borneo where theres no human nor pollution.
Unfortunately in the Kalimantan district the environmental impact from gold mining, oil palm plantations, and logging (which apparently runs rampant even within national parks & protected forests) will most likely place some species in jeopardy before they have even been discovered.
there are many farm of arowana on indonesian country, and not at kalimantan area only.
i has visit indonesia, and know there are few farm at jakarta, pekanbaru, medan, and other area also
i has visit indonesia, and know there are few farm at jakarta, pekanbaru, medan, and other area also
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