New project, will take a long time

[Yanbbrox]

hey i was wondering if anyone knows what kind of rocks there r for freshwater aquariums and what rock is good for a jack dempsey tank and i dont want fake rocks i would like to find a rock that looks nice and has alot of hiding areas or hole in it for good water flow but at the same time is at a good price

Wrong forum try here:

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

Thanks for stopping by though

Thanks for the kind intro.
No worries



The next list looks great, right on track. As does the realistic now list. Where do you think the add fish stage will be?


Not to beat a dead horse with the air idea, but if you have enough air pushing the k1 up and the pump pulling it back down it may boil OK.

For a temp return to get it up an running how about just a flexible pool hose for the return? Bury the pvc return when you are able and have a waterfall/return plan worked out. I buried my 3" before I had a final plan and have a few regrets.



Retro...on my to do list, about #5 on the list.

That's the plan for the temp return, flexi hose. The water fall is going to run from the skimmer system so I don't need to worry too much about it right now, I'll try to sketch up the fixed return as I'm trying to sketch something up for John at the moment anyway. Btw I can't draw but can render when the other pc will stop playing up.

Flog a dead horse to death by all means, are you really saying if I run air into chamber three with the pump in it the water could boil or did I miss the point?

Thanks for the comments

 

[Yanbbrox]

Sod the render I'm too tired


A: Return from the main filter system
B: Return for the skimmer system, next year to add even more circular motion

Flag on top of the red bit, siliconed in behind, solvent weldedirked 2 inch pipes going straight through

 

[Yanbbrox]

Side view:

Top view:

A: intake from vortex 2
B: input to vortex 3
C: Air stone
D: Kaldnes
E: pump
F: return to pond

E is a 200 gph hour pump is the kaldnes going to really do anything up there or is the pump going to return the water while the kaldnes is happily spinning at the top without really doing anything or will everything mix ok?

What do you think?

 

[zennzzo]

Won't "E" cavitate because of being near "C"?

...seems Like vortex 3 would need to outlet into inlet on "E"

 

[Yanbbrox]

Won't "E" cavitate because of being near "C"?

...seems Like vortex 3 would need to outlet into inlet on "E"

So swap them around then? Then E would be sat in the waste, not pictured, dam I so tired, missed that bit, so raise the pump to level with B and C to E?

G: being the waste
Advanced algebra is far too late to comprehend and I know I've not swapped the other two around but it's 0015 here and I'm back in work at 10, it's too late at night to be messing around with layers in photshop, post you ideas and I'll read them tomorrow



Thanks for the post Zen

 

[zennzzo]

So swap them around then? Then E would be sat in the waste, not pictured, dam I so tired, missed that bit, so raise the pump to level with B and C to E?
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G: being the waste
Advanced algebra is far too late to comprehend and I know I've not swapped the other two around but it's 0015 here and I'm back in work at 10, it's too late at night to be messing around with layers in photshop, post you ideas and I'll read them tomorrow



Thanks for the post Zen

Put the airstone above the pump, and the pump as low as you can...not in the debris...

 

[mrunlucky07]

Put the airstone above the pump, and the pump as low as you can...not in the debris...

Agreed. The air will need to be above the pump. As said put the air up off the bottom a bit as to allow solids to settle to the bottom.

How big physically is the pump? What about putting it inside a 5 gal bucket/container and mounting that inside the vortex chamber? The air and kaldness circulates around the bucket, and filtered water goes down to the pump. Top lip of bucket is 2-3" below water level and net to keep kaldness out, or bucket above waterlevel and drill holes in the top 3" to let water in.

I am thinking of something similar to what I am using for a settling tank. If you were to fill it with k1 and air on the bottom, then put the pump under the matting in the middle. Air would go around the pump, and kaldness fluidize, I think...

if I run air into chamber three with the pump in it the water could boil or did I miss the point?

By boil I ment fluidize, or roll like you want. Was trying to say I thinks its possible for both air and pump to be in there and still have the movement you want.

 

[Yanbbrox]

Put the airstone above the pump, and the pump as low as you can...not in the debris...

If I went with the idea below in red then it wouldn't matter where the air went?

Agreed. The air will need to be above the pump. As said put the air up off the bottom a bit as to allow solids to settle to the bottom.

How big physically is the pump? What about putting it inside a 5 gal bucket/container and mounting that inside the vortex chamber? The air and kaldness circulates around the bucket, and filtered water goes down to the pump. Top lip of bucket is 2-3" below water level and net to keep kaldness out, or bucket above waterlevel and drill holes in the top 3" to let water in.

I am thinking of something similar to what I am using for a settling tank. If you were to fill it with k1 and air on the bottom, then put the pump under the matting in the middle. Air would go around the pump, and kaldness fluidize, I think...

By boil I ment fluidize, or roll like you want. Was trying to say I thinks its possible for both air and pump to be in there and still have the movement you want.

Now I really like that idea, the nexus units work a similar way. If the k1 was circulating around some sort of bucket like you say, the old bacteria would still get pushed out to the sides and fall because of the vortex motion as the pump is in the middle then only the filtered water would be pumped out. Tank connector under the bucket and out to return pipe. It wouldn't even have to be under the water and netted, as long there as enough holes in the bucket to stop the pump from running dry and at the same time keep the k1 out then in theory at least it should work.

Thanks guys between everyone I think we've cracked it

 

[Yanbbrox]

Green = K1
Blue = pump and return
Red = air stone and air line
Drill many holes in the container in the middle, not pictured

Obviously not to scale

 

[Yanbbrox]

I've over complicated that one above, there is no need to run the return from the pump under the container it can just come out of the top
Again, green = k1 which will fluidized around the return container
Blue = pump
Red = air

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Why do I have to go to work, I want to get on with it now