question about black piranhas

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vinizuh;1325839; said:
http://www.piranha-info.com/default.php?lang=en&id=s_manueli
theres a 20" manny, which shows the potential. so i wouldn't call s. rhombeus top dog. Pygocentrus Piraya can also reach 20" and probably more.


Thanks Vinizuh you beat me on this..I was waiting for someone to jump on me for this. I was going to use the exact same link to prove myself.

I would also would like to point out is that Rhomb may come the the 3rd largest..which I know piraya can grow up to 18-10"...let me fine the link and pictures on the piraya.
 
This is Al's piraya 20" plus was original from piranha-king bought it from Shark Aquarium..He is the biggest for pygo (piraya) and larger then Rhomb. come close to manny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J88yNTrUjbg
 
I know that the manny's are said to be the largest but I've never seen one (not that it matters) I've seen that 20 plus Piraya and I've seen a 19 inch Rhom but I haven't seen a manny come close to this yeah I've seen pics of fishermen holding a large dead manny but I have also seen fishermen hold large Rhoms that where bigger that 20inches as well I know I know it reads that the manny's are the largest but until I see one that is large then it goes Piraya, Rhom and All others in that order (just my opinoiun).....
 
I said the largest of the serra's. Where did I say anything about pygo's?
Plus like the pic claims that the fish is around 20". When that pic was published, the piranha was identified as a "serrasalmus notus" which is today's cariba. They didn't even know what the hell they were looking at! Only later did piranha specialists say that this fish was a manuel's p. by then only estimating what the length of the fish was based on what it looked like in the picture and that was years later. Alot of things come into account, maybe that native in the picture was only 4'10" tall making that fish look alot bigger. Too many unknowns so the pic is then discredited as being proof the mannies are the biggest. Scientists know that they are one of the largest but not THE largest. Fact is, you guys cannot show me a pic of a manuel's with a measuring tape next to it showing more then 17.1" because nobody has one out there. They suspect that there is one swimming around in Southern America but it has never been documented. Rhoms have been documented at 19".
 
So instead of answering the nice gentleman's question, let's get into an argument over which guppy is the biggest of them all. Besides, since when is it important who's the biggest when he's asking about a specific species of fish? Either way, I'll be worried about which is biggest when it gets to the size of a whale shark, which IS the biggest fish.

Bottom line:
Rhoms get big, you can only have one in the home aquarium, unless you divide, and that's risky. They take a long time to grow, so if you don't have the patience, get an adult.

As far as the dividing, and breeding thing goes, you never know, until you try, if I had the room (too many full tanks) and the money, I would surely be trying to figure out HOW to make it work!!

ALL piranhas when small, need something to hide under or behind, simply because EVERYBODY needs a bit of privacy from time to time. Place the tank in a high traffic area of your home, like the living room, kitchen, or computer room, this will get him or her used to having people around it's tank. Also, leave your lights on, until you go to bed, and don't cover the front of the tank, this is counter-productive, and only encourages shyness.

since piranhas live in slow-moving blackwater rivers, some blackwater would be beneficial. Use your disgression on a powerhead. A friend of mine had a powerhead for his rhom, and only when she ate the cord, and it was removed, did she USE her tank space.
I don't even use powerheads for my redbellies, I just hang the filter on the side (instead of the back) and they're more active than I've heard of others' being.

Back to blackwater, you can make the tank water "black" (it really looks more like watered down tea) by adding drift/bogwood, blackwater extract, or peat in your filter. www.fosterandsmith.com have a substrate for live plants that reproduces blackwater conditions as well.

There are lots of threads as to what to feed, so I'll let you check those out, and form your own opinion, after all, it's your fish, and your money. ^^

As far as substrate goes, if you want a lighter colored fish, you can use medium to light browns and whites, that'll make your fish lighter (if using light gravel, use a dark background) if you want a darker colored fish (and rhoms look best in deep black) then use darker substrate, like dark blues, dark browns, and obviously black. Feel free to test some other colors, and see what happens. Also, like with light sub/dark BG, go dark sub/light BG that way, you can see your fish much better.

Let us know what you decide to go with, and good luck!! ^^
 
I know and I'm sorry for derail. I don't put out alot of information because I feel that there is too much crap out there in the net. Thats the reason I got away from the forums for a few years while I was in the army.
So I get defensive when someone tries to correct me with wrong info.
I try to only put out what is fact because I don't want to be one of those misleading posters that sets a hobbyist up for failure...What ever the case may be. I noticed in a previous thread that I forgot to type in one word and it completely contradicts what I mean. Edit tab is gone so I can't fix it and it drives me nuts!
Sry for the rant.
OP-
To keep a rhom deserves some kind of respect. Just knowing what that fish had been through, where he'd swam, what predators it dodged or what prey it killed before he made it to my tank...I can get lost in while I'm watching him swim. Same is true for almost all species of piranha I guess. But the black has always been alot of keepers favorites to include mine. It drives me absolutely insane to watch these people buy and sell these fish like they are baseball cards simply because it took me 10 years to get mine (I wasn't going to fork up the extra money for shipping).
Be sure it's what you want before you buy. Do as much research as possible. Don't buy into the whole "The black piranha is by far the most aggressive fish in the world" bull**** because its nowhere near true. For the most part...These fish are shy as hell when they're young or could be shy as hell going into a new tank as an adult. Most will come out of it. Few don't.
I had a young serra that I didn't see for a year. One year before that fish decided he wasn't going to fear me. Thats a long time to keep a fish thats scared as hell of you. It was way worth the wait.
Don't buy into the B.S.
 
ok, seems everyones agree to just oone in a tank lol. the black water thing, i have a big piece of drift wood in the tank already that has the color of the water a little tan. and there are live plants in there so i should be all good if i go this route right? i dont know what you mean by the powerhead thing though. could you explain that more? do you have a strong current in your tanks? also ive seen difrerent rhoms from dif areas. like peru, guyana, etc..... are these all the same? meaning as far as colors and size? like aquascape online has a few different kind. i think the peru ones are the only ones that are in my budget. ( i know you guys said go out and get a larger one, but i dont have money to get one at a couple hundred bucks. the ones at aquascape are 3-5 inches already) here is the link. well the 5 inchers are out but here is a link to the pics. they do have 3-4 inchers in. but no pic of those. from the pics, those are rhoms right? im only asking cause there has been debate before on this forum about whether or not something was a rhom or something else when it was young. http://www.aquascapeonline.com/prodView.asp?idproduct=262
 
phantoms;1326647; said:
ok, seems everyones agree to just oone in a tank lol. the black water thing, i have a big piece of drift wood in the tank already that has the color of the water a little tan. and there are live plants in there so i should be all good if i go this route right? i dont know what you mean by the powerhead thing though. could you explain that more? do you have a strong current in your tanks? also ive seen difrerent rhoms from dif areas. like peru, guyana, etc..... are these all the same? meaning as far as colors and size? like aquascape online has a few different kind. i think the peru ones are the only ones that are in my budget. ( i know you guys said go out and get a larger one, but i dont have money to get one at a couple hundred bucks. the ones at aquascape are 3-5 inches already) here is the link. well the 5 inchers are out but here is a link to the pics. they do have 3-4 inchers in. but no pic of those. from the pics, those are rhoms right? im only asking cause there has been debate before on this forum about whether or not something was a rhom or something else when it was young. http://www.aquascapeonline.com/prodView.asp?idproduct=262

This is the place where I got mine if they say its a rhom then it is you don't have to get a big one you could grow one out like I am but its up to you they do take years to reach large size.........
 
Thank you much, now, let's move along!! ^^

As for Xingu, Guayana, Peru and such, those are just collection points, maybe the colors will be a bit different, but they still get to be the same size. I only suggested that you go larger if you don't have the patience to grow them out, as I said in my first reply, there is nothing quite like looking at your monster fish and saying "I raised that!!"

Yes, the fish pictured in the link is a rhom, if it were a pygo instead, it'd have more red, if another species of serra, I think, not as much.

As for the powerhead. In the event that you may not know what one is, it's a little pump that hangs inside your tank that pushes the water around to create currents.

Now, naturally piranhas come from rivers, so there's a need for a current, right? (answer is yes) but you have to consider what KIND of river, whitewater rapids, or slow moving river. Piranhas come from the slow-moving rivers of South America. Therefore, a strong current is only going to wear them down and stress them out. Not that it's true for ALL piranhas, some have said their fish like to play in the current and bubbles from the powerhead.

It's an optional thing, if you think your rhom will enjoy it, give it a try, but it might not, so keep that in mind as well.
 
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