I understand what you're saying dna genetic wise I did some reading and research after I read what you posted. I want the strong banding and red coloration I'm seeing here not solid colored or dark colored so same fish game fish shmame fish I'm looking for specimens that look a certain way with that variation of appearance like those I've seen here and elsewhere a show quality pair example of them. Those two fish he showed me as the parents of what hes selling look like crap. I'm a invertebrate guy mainly my fish knowledge is outdated by about 20yrs. Which is why I sought some guidance here. Like the Mayans I've seen from Lake Delray beach Florida, colors popping not dull or dark or faded out like some of the other examples ive seen from other places. So while they all are the same fish mesoheros, amphilophus, whatever obviously some look way better than other ones colorwise intensity etc. like ugly vs good looking people. I want Ken and barbie not shrek and fiona. And thank you for clarifying that for me.