Setting up 700 gallon can't decide on going pressurized or good old wet/dry

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
Got some real objective data on my setup for comparison. 5 gallon bucket test, reruns all within a second of each other.

First run, 1800 mag drive ran as a sump pump through my dirty sand filter and out the top of my tank.

Second run, 20-30 gallon backflush which put the pressure in my filter right in the middle of where it usually runs. Gained 83 gph

Third run, inlet hose disconnected from sand filter(flow minus the head loss from the filter and return to top of tank). Gained an additional 172 gph.

Fourth run, same as above but after I cleaned the pump/impeller for the first time ever. Gained an additional 238 gph.

As you can see in this flow chart the slope for the 1800 is almost perfectly liner, which means the differences in gph equal the same head loss/gain at all head heights. This pump was perfect bc it takes that variable out of the equation, otherwise these numbers wouldn't mean the same without trying to setup the system at different head heights and then you would have to try to replicate how dirty the filter was, etc...

Interpret how you want.

I'm going to keep my filter filled with sand and continue to use a low pressure efficient pump but im going to clean it more often, also I'm going to shorten the hoses(using 3 ft from my pump to filter snaked over the side of my sump).

The past week or so I temporarily plumbed this system in line which does help counter the head loss which I liked but now I'm going back to running it as a sump pump bc I like the simplicity/efficiency of running one pump plus having a sump, being able to sleep at night knowing that my hole tank can't be drained in minutes, etc...I did hook it back up in line after the bucket testing and there was so much flow that the overflow couldn't keep up like before.

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Got some real objective data on my setup for comparison. 5 gallon bucket test, reruns all within a second of each other.

First run, 1800 mag drive ran as a sump pump through my dirty sand filter and out the top of my tank.

Second run, 20-30 gallon backflush which put the pressure in my filter right in the middle of where it usually runs. Gained 83 gph

Third run, inlet hose disconnected from sand filter(flow minus the head loss from the filter and return to top of tank). Gained an additional 172 gph.

Fourth run, same as above but after I cleaned the pump/impeller for the first time ever. Gained an additional 238 gph.

As you can see in this flow chart the slope for the 1800 is almost perfectly liner, which means the differences in gph equal the same head loss/gain at all head heights. This pump was perfect bc it takes that variable out of the equation, otherwise these numbers wouldn't mean the same without trying to setup the system at different head heights and then you would have to try to replicate how dirty the filter was, etc...

Interpret how you want.

I'm going to keep my filter filled with sand and continue to use a low pressure efficient pump but im going to clean it more often, also I'm going to shorten the hoses(using 3 ft from my pump to filter snaked over the side of my sump).

The past week or so I temporarily plumbed this system in line which does help counter the head loss which I liked but now I'm going back to running it as a sump pump bc I like the simplicity/efficiency of running one pump plus having a sump, being able to sleep at night knowing that my hole tank can't be drained in minutes, etc...I did hook it back up in line after the bucket testing and there was so much flow that the overflow couldn't keep up like before.

That's my biggest problem right now is trying to decide on pump,,,because my lines or plumbed in between my walls going straight up and across the attic I'm going to have to get a pretty big pop because I don't want any sound of the motor inside the house plus it will make it easier to backwash and such,,,I think the biggest mag drive they make is 2400 GPH but again mag drives work better in sumps because They stay cooler,,,i'm just going to have to do the math and I'm hoping that once I get it started the siphoning process will alleviate the purge pump I'm going to put under the tank at the beginning to get it started but again I just don't knowThe size I need to handle all that distance and still maintain the minimum 2000 GPH for that filter so yeah kind of stuck with a pickle right now,,,and I agree with you I don't think there's anything at all wrong with sand filter at all...because of my distance is another reason I choose the Ultima because it needs less GPH then a sand filter,,,
 
That's my biggest problem right now is trying to decide on pump,,,because my lines or plumbed in between my walls going straight up and across the attic I'm going to have to get a pretty big pop because I don't want any sound of the motor inside the house plus it will make it easier to backwash and such,,,I think the biggest mag drive they make is 2400 GPH but again mag drives work better in sumps because They stay cooler,,,i'm just going to have to do the math and I'm hoping that once I get it started the siphoning process will alleviate the purge pump I'm going to put under the tank at the beginning to get it started but again I just don't knowThe size I need to handle all that distance and still maintain the minimum 2000 GPH for that filter so yeah kind of stuck with a pickle right now,,,and I agree with you I don't think there's anything at all wrong with sand filater at all...because of my distance is another reason I choose the Ultima because it needs less GPH then a sand filter,,,

Are you talking running 2000 gph at 50-100' head height...24/7? I dont think you wanna do that. You need a beastly pool pump and im not sure if they are even designed to run 24/7, plus massive power consumption.
 
I wasn't paying close attention to your discussion on pumps. A reeflo power pump may suit your needs if you have high head height. Why don't you give Reeflo a call and see if someone can come up with a pump that would work for you.

http://www.reeflopumps.com/power-pumps.html

I'm really happy with our Hammerhead pump which has performed flawlessly for 9 years now. I had bought a second replacement pump in case something happened. It's still in the box. I have five Reeflo pumps still in boxes waiting to be set up in the big system. Didn't even consider any other brand of pump. Reeflo pumps are advertised as "quiet". I don't know about their power pumps, but you could ask them.
 
I want the ultima to run 24/7 yes and pacu mom thanks for the advice again ,,, I actually orderd all my black pvc/ pipe fittings from that link u gave me Savko or something another good find ,, bulkheads came in yesterday ,,, metal stand being built as we speak and ultima should be here anyday ,,, my pipes are already ran and insulated to the garage ,,,one of theses days I'll figure how to post pics from my phone lol ,, thinking about doing a build thread but I guess this kinda is lol thanks again I'll call reef flo
 
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Exciting times for you! You should definitely do a build thread. We also used an engine hoist to lift our tank. Used a pallet jack to move the tank and stand a few times.
 
Yea thanks ️Iam am super excited that other pic is my 300 I had to drive 10 hours round trip to get that 700 gallon and I paid 2500 so to me it was worth the drive the acrylic alone just for material at my commercial costs would be around 3 k and for a smaller tank anything over 8' in acrylic is super expensive so I felt like I got a good deal and freed up some cash for the fun stuff ,,, yea the boom lift has saved me countless times I've used it so much through the years and it folds up when done otherwise I would've hand to wait on about 4-6 people lol ,,, but yea I pretty sure my sticking list is

3 temensis peacock bass
2 o's peacock bass
1-2 kolbera peacock bass
1 MBU puffer
1 arapaima and maybe another ray but I really don't want sand
 
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