Setting up my second loach tank.

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The best wave generator is a dumping surge tank if you have overhead room (somewhere - anywhere).

Slow gradual fill until an auto siphon is triggered to rapidly drop the water back into your tank . You could add some fine bio media to get a very effective wet - dry chamber. No moving parts, very low to no maintenance.

Apart from the obvious currents generated, the dissolved oxygen levels generated are extraordinary - enough to induce many difficult species into spawning.

And a great way to stir & lift any detritus off the bottom.
 

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Thanks for the suggestion fishdance. I don't think that's doable for me though, there's little room overhead and I'll be having lids on this tank which get in the way of that.
 

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Couple more questions and things I have found:

-For those of you who keep kuhli loaches in tanks with high flow, do they ever seek the flow out and swim against it like riverine fish? I ask because I found someone on Loaches Online say, contrary to the belief that they needed still water, that theirs were doing just that.
If the kuhli loaches actually do enjoy flow like the Botia, I'll of course still leave calm bottom space for them to rest. Just wondering about the above?

-I found a second case of roseline sharks being killed by low oxygen: https://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21291&p=184735
This has the following in common with the original case: both were chased by a net. Whereas TwoTankAmin merely turned off the filters during tank maintenance, no chasing the sharks around with a net.
I get the impression that they get very oxygen-depleted from fleeing a net. Going to see if I can get the pet store to inject mine with oxygen in their bags, and I won't float them for any longer than needed.
 
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So I can expect them to head to the top-mid section of the tank and swim in place? Sweet!

I've heard flow brings Botia loaches out of hiding to exercise, so if it has the same effect on kuhlis, that would be awesome.
 
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There has been a change in plans. Because of a different planned date for the international vacation I have to take in order to have this tank, it's not going to be set up until July 23. So no June 29 setup like I initially thought.
This is making me pretty nervous that the good, healthy roseline sharks and loaches at the pet store that I would have bought then will sell out by then. Hopefully they won't.

Picked up those baby Odessa barbs yesterday. Very lacking in color now, so I can't wait for them to grow into bright adults.
Here they are in the quarantine tank before they go in their 110 liter growout.


Also got a good picture of the black kuhli loach temporary accomodations before they can go into this tank. As you can see, quite a few of them.


Having to put them in here temporarily before their permanent, larger tank is ready because they were in danger in their former tank reminds me a lot of thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter having to do that with some European catfish: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/wels-catfish-albino-10.678844/
I dare him to try and catch 24 kuhli loaches like I did though! Not even a giant European catfish will give the keeper anywhere close to the catching difficulty and aggravation of kuhli loaches! ? ? ?

In all seriousness though, he has always advocated keeping track of undertakings like this in one thread and I completely agree. Having everything related to this tank in this thread is great for keeping track of it.

Finally, I saw some lovely Burmese loaches at the pet store yesterday when I bought the Odessa barbs. I'm heading there again tomorrow, so can get pictures then.
Really hoping there will still be 9 by July 23, given how rare they come in.
 

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Yet another change of plans. I won't be back home until July 26 and won't be able to get this tank set up until July 27, so that's an extra 3-4 days of delay.

On the upside, I went to the pet store and got some pictures.
Here are the Burmese loaches, as promised.




Very healthy and in good shape by the looks of it. I was expecting these to be loaded with all kinds of worms and parasites based on what I read on Loaches Online, but thankfully not.
They're about 7-8cm by the looks of it. Purchasing them at this size (the only size available) has both its ups and downs.

The ups are that they're not too grown (keeping in mind a 13cm adult size) and still ought to have plenty of lifespan left, while also having enough of their adult pattern to be easily distinguishable from the golden zebra loach, often confused with Burmese loaches when juvenile. I had a great fear I would end up getting some (much drabber) golden zebras with my Burmese and it seems that is averted.

The down is that these don't have as much lifespan left as youngsters that could still be confused with golden zebras, minus about 2 years based on the Loaches Online documentation of pattern changing by cybermeez. Overall though, I'd say the ups outweigh this down. I'd rather have what I know are Burmese loaches for 2 less years than end up with what are actually golden zebra loaches after waiting 2 years to know what they are.

I was told by the pet store that these tend to sell out very slowly (in fact, none had been sold by the time I asked), and they had a lot more than 9. So I like the odds that there will still be 9 for me when I can set this tank up.

Finally, some of you might remember a thread I made a little while ago about their pattern morphs: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/large-vs-small-spotted-burmese-loaches.747436/
The consensus in that thread among the members who commented was that large spotted morphs into small spotted over time, while Seriously Fish believes in them actually being different morphs. Going by a picture by Kamphol Udomritthiruj which I found on Loaches Online today, I'd say Seriously Fish was correct.
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I think the fact that there is a small spotted specimen significantly smaller (and thereby younger) than a large spotted specimen is a great testament to the morphs being distinct instead of just age-related. And I do find this good news.
After all, while I do still like the small-spotted version, I find the difference between it and the large-spotted version is the difference between good-looking and great-looking. So I really like the possibility of getting specimens that retain large spots throughout their life.

Also got some pictures of the roseline sharks I hope to get. The earlier picture was actually that of significantly larger roseline sharks I have no intention to buy, which I mixed up with the ones that I do want to buy.
This picture does not even do them close to justice, as anyone who has some would agree.


From what I was told, they are not selling out very fast either. On the other hand, I was also told the pet store is finding them so hard to get in nowadays that they may stop carrying them altogether when these sell out. ?
Fingers crossed that they'll still be available when I get back, or at least that I can get some before they become unavailable.

In the event that none at all have been purchased by July 27, I will get all 10 in the photo, even though I originally intended to get 9. Getting 9 in that case would leave a lonely 10th individual to be alone for who knows how long, and the thought of that is enough to compel me to get all 10 so none are left behind.

Also picked up 3 more Odessa barbs today as an 'insurance policy' against some in the original batch of 9 that appear severely underfed and may not make it. I was served by one of the employees I have a pretty good relationship with, and they threw in an extra! So now I have 13 pea-sized babies in the quarantine tank, and if the underfed individuals pull though, I may well end up with 13 instead of 9 like planned.

Overall, that is somewhat of an increase from the originally planned 9 of each. What are everyone's thoughts on 10 roselines and 13 Odessas with the loaches?
Doesn't seem like it would overcrowd/overstock the tank to me, but I just want to be sure.

Finally, for a bonus, the pet store also had some spotted hill trout. Although I won't get any, I did quite like them, having never seen them in the flesh before.
If roseline sharks and Odessa barbs were in some way unsuitable for this setup, I think I'd go with these instead. Maybe with some filament barbs or black ruby barbs too.
 

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And yet another update regarding the fish at the pet store:nilly:
Fortunately this one takes at least some weight off my chest.

After yet another visit to the pet store today, it doesn't look like I'm actually going to purchase the photographed individuals. They're quite a bit more grown than I first thought (Burmese loaches 9-10cm and roseline sharks at least 10cm).
With both species being fairly slow growers and having an adult size of 13-15cm, they would have burned out quite a bit of their lifespan already. So unless the pet store gets in shipments of young 5-6cm individuals by the time I return, I'll order fish of that size from an online store (even though that's not my preferred method).

The weight this takes off my chest is not having to worry about whether the store individuals will still be there when I get back. Some order sites are out of stock, which isn't as much a worry and hopefully will change.
 
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