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nubz;3411528; said:
yeah but theres no hope for that industrie.... a tuna must eat 20lbs of food to gain 1lb of muscle. so it would be nearly impossible to raise on sell it and have profit


Well I know you cant exactly have a Tuna farm because they are migratory fish and probably wont breed in captivity anyways.
Tuna farming is very profitable and a very real part of our world. YFT and BFT are the most profitable tunas being raised. Most farms are in the Med. Sea but they are popping up globally as people catch on.

The general method is to capture young fish and hold them in a pen while feeding them until the grow large enough to market.


This is a great article from Scientific American that sort of highlights it, with out diving too far into the science and politics behind it:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=tuna-from-a-farm
 
I support commercial fisherman. They're making a living, thats all there is to it. Its the money hungry government bodies that are raping the ocean for a dollar. For example, fluke in New York, keeper length is 21.5" (for those that don't know, you would be lucky to catch one of this length all summer) and there was a week long moratorium on fluke fishing, on the already short season. The reasoning for this is "the depleted fluke population." Hmm thats funny, because if your a commercial fisherman, and you got some spare $$$, for a "special permit," you can fish with your already lower min. length, straight through the moratorium, oh, and continue to fish after the season closes. So much for caring about the "depleted population."
P.S. if your wondering where all the $$$ from these special permits goes, its no going into the states fisheries, its going into the general funds to be reapplied to bigger issues like raises for secretaries etc.
 
As a pre-note, I am not advocating ANY kind of commercial fishing, other than simple single-line single-hook fishing with a fishing pole in a person's hands.

Just to give another side to the discussion, I worked as a federal government observer on a commercial fishing longliner (and 2 dragnet boats) in the Bering Sea off Alaska last summer. Granted, this NOT swordfish, sailfish, tuna whatever they're catching down in the Gulf, this is flatfish, cod, rockfish, and pollock.

Longlining is MUCH MUCH MUCH better on bycatch than dragnetting is. On the boat I was on, in the 6 weeks we were at sea, I would say 95% of the bycatch was released alive. I'm not sure how much of that survives for long periods after being released, as there has been very little actual research into that, but most were in excellent condition when they were released. The fishermen treat bycatch with great care, because every boat has a government observer onboard, and if they don't they get very large fines (tens of thousands of dollars to hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending on the infraction, and NOAA, the governing agency, is very fine happy up there).

Most longlines are not left out for more than 18 hours, MAXIMUM. Anyone leaving lines out longer than 24-30 hours either doesn't know what they're doing, or doesn't care about the quality of the catch, and have no business being a longline fisherman. The fisherman I was with only left a line out for longer than 24 hours because of hazardous weather. Most longlines deployed while I was on the boat were only in the water for 6-8 hours, and usually came up nearly full. These were lines approximately 10,000 yards long, with a hook every yard.

When I was on the dragnet boats, there was rarely more than 1% of the entire catch that was still alive by the time the net was dragged on board. Dragnets are horrible, because they rape the bottom of the ocean, pulling up everything in its path and crushing it into one giant blob of worthless fish. Seals, dolphins, sea lions, sea turtles, birds, even whales have been caught in drag nets. The weight of sea life in each net, depending on the size of the boat, is 10 tons to 200 tons.

I'm not saying those same animals aren't caught on longlines, as they can be, but the bycatch is much lower than drag netting, it is safer for the udnerwater environment, and IF DONE CORRECTLY, is one of the more sustainable methods of fishing.

Again, I was a federal government observer on these boats, and seeing the state of the fisheries up close and personal, I believe that ALL types of fisheries need to be heavily restricted, and some completely closed, or these species of fish will soon be pushed to extinction. Several fisheries, such as pollock, are already collapsing and will be close to being considered unrecoverable in another 5-10yrs if nothing is done.

Farmed fishing is a start to help relieve pressure off wild fisheries, but I don't believe farm raised fish will ever be an economically viable replacement. It costs too much to raise fish to a size and weight that they can be sold at.

Edit: and to anyone who says that fisherman aren't to blame, that they're just earning a living, I say B.S. If not for what little government intervention there is, fisherman would catch every last fish in the ocean, no matter what it is, to sell for the almighty dollar. Unfortunately the government is getting a large amount of money from the fishing industry, and so does not put any worthwhile limits on fisheries. Fishermen themselves would NEVER voluntarily limit their catch to ensure the fishery survived, they'd just fish it out and move on to something else, until there was nothing left to fish for.
 
Conner;3422022; said:
Edit: and to anyone who says that fisherman aren't to blame, that they're just earning a living, I say B.S. If not for what little government intervention there is, fisherman would catch every last fish in the ocean, no matter what it is, to sell for the almighty dollar. Unfortunately the government is getting a large amount of money from the fishing industry, and so does not put any worthwhile limits on fisheries. Fishermen themselves would NEVER voluntarily limit their catch to ensure the fishery survived, they'd just fish it out and move on to something else, until there was nothing left to fish for.
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FAIL!

hmmm wow, where to begin. I fish, and I know I'm just talking me here (and recreational at that), but I regularly practice catch and release. Thats all there is to it, and there are very specific words to describe someone who takes a group of people based upon what they do, how they look etc, and projects a opinon on all of them. The least of these words would be uneducated and or ignorant, the others are not so nice. Look up Bass Federation and FLW and find out about FISHERMEN promoting catch and release before you pipe up.
 
dpsurf;3424896; said:
:screwy:

FAIL!

hmmm wow, where to begin. I fish, and I know I'm just talking me here (and recreational at that), but I regularly practice catch and release. Thats all there is to it, and there are very specific words to describe someone who takes a group of people based upon what they do, how they look etc, and projects a opinon on all of them. The least of these words would be uneducated and or ignorant, the others are not so nice. Look up Bass Federation and FLW and find out about FISHERMEN promoting catch and release before you pipe up.


Before you go calling people uneducated and ignorant you might want to understand the subject matter.

You comparing recreational and pro tournament anglers to commercial fisherman who ONLY make money by keeping and selling their catch is comparing apples to oranges.

That was totally uncalled for and simply off the subject matter.


Edit: and to anyone who says that fisherman aren't to blame, that they're just earning a living, I say B.S. If not for what little government intervention there is, fisherman would catch every last fish in the ocean, no matter what it is, to sell for the almighty dollar. Unfortunately the government is getting a large amount of money from the fishing industry, and so does not put any worthwhile limits on fisheries. Fishermen themselves would NEVER voluntarily limit their catch to ensure the fishery survived, they'd just fish it out and move on to something else, until there was nothing left to fish for.


I also disagree with the comment but not for those reasons. I think many commercial fisherman understand the need for substainable fishing because they know if they catch them all they won't have anything to fish for.

However I understand also the mind set. Once your're outthere on the water you must catch as much as you can and make as much money as you can.

A balance that won't be easy to find is the only solution.
 
cichlidfinder;3431618; said:
Before you go calling people uneducated and ignorant you might want to understand the subject matter.

So its fair for someone to say that statement about ALL COMMERCIAL fishermen then? Then I guess I just respectfully disagree.

PS- I never called anybody uneducated and ignorant, I just pointed out that when a generalization is made about any group of people, that conclusion could be drawn, and I'm sure none of our fellow board members would want that perceived of them. Not quite sure how thats off topic.
 
dpsurf;3433750; said:
So its fair for someone to say that statement about ALL COMMERCIAL fishermen then? Then I guess I just respectfully disagree.

PS- I never called anybody uneducated and ignorant, I just pointed out that when a generalization is made about any group of people, that conclusion could be drawn, and I'm sure none of our fellow board members would want that perceived of them. Not quite sure how thats off topic.
Why don't you read the posts before hitting the reply button.

I DID NOT AGREE with the comment. and I gave reasons why.

and I find the red section totally funny cause yes you did.
 
dpsurf;3424896; said:
Thats all there is to it, and there are very specific words to describe someone who takes a group of people based upon what they do, how they look etc, and projects a opinon on all of them. The least of these words would be uneducated and or ignorant, the others are not so nice .

Where did I call someone these things? Anyways I'm done with this week old thread you brought back from the dead. I find it funny too.

BTW when I say I'm done, I'm done. You can post whatever you want (as you no doubt will) I will not respond, and argue about a post I made a week ago.
 
Hi,yes all ot this is a serious problem,the bigger problem is when are goverment officials going to do some thing about it?
 
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