The Camera Thread

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I started out shooting fish with nikon d70s and kit lens. Thanks to Bobby Phillips, aka PhishphorPhun, I discovered that using overhead flash was the way to go. I bought a speedlight. With the added lighting, I quickly realized my kit lens wasn't going to cut it, because I could see the difference between my photos and others on the web using the same technique.


My pics had improved dramatically, but being the competitive sob I was, I wanted better and picked up a used 60mm f/2.8 AD, a very sharp lens some fish shooters were using. It was like another step up in picture quality.

Then I was intrigued with macro, so I picked up a used 105mm f/2.8 AD. It was another WOW moment.

Then the D300 came out. It was a beast. I could afford it. I bought it. All the while, my knowledge improved as did my thirst for photography. I wanted to start shooting outdoors. That's when it became apparent that good glass was required.

It also became apparent that my D300 was not the ISO performer it was marketed as. I needed better ISO performance in order to get faster shutter speeds in dim lighting. So when the D700 came out, I was all over it. I was seriously considering jumping to the Canon 5d, until I realized Nikon's autofocus system was miles ahead, so I stuck with Nikon.

I could have made due with what I had in glass, but the truth is that pro glass is much better and a better investment due to it's better resale value.

Did I need to spend that kind of money in order to get really good fish pictures? No. Did I need to spend that kind of money to enjoy photography? No. I spent that money because I could afford to. Could I achieve the same results without spending what I did in the end? In terms of aquatic photography, yes. In terms of bird in flight shooting, not even close.

So to end my long diatribe, I will say that lighting is as important as any other part of the toolkit, because it gives you infinite more options. People who get into photography come to recognize that one part of their toolkit is always weak. Some decide they are not happy with their results and so will improve the weakest part of their kit. Some will decide that photography is not that important or due to budgetary reasons cannot improve their kit. Each person will make different decisions based on how much they value the hobby and how far they want to go. That's totally okay with me.

When I first started almost 4 years ago, the idea of spending $1000 on a lens made me laugh and think some guys are just crazy. The next lens I want is about $6K. I have a lot of other things to budget for before I pull the trigger on that, but if I was making a living with my gear, that lens would already be in my bag. :)
 

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joecoulson;4752834; said:
must be a 600mm if your shooting birds. and yes, when you shoot for money, there cannot be any weak links in your arsenal. None in mine and I just shoot with the D300 as my main. But I have 5 pro lenses and more lighting than I probably need. Did you end up getting the D700?
I did. :)
 

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joecoulson;4753435; said:
I would love one, but then I would need over half a bag of lenses since I went the digital pro lens direction with the D300. Too much for me.
I got caught up in the fx hype. I will say the increase in ISO performance is significant. And for a guy who wears glasses, the viewfinder is great!
 

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3dees;4751134; said:
have to disagree with jcardona. good glass is a priority, before flashes and even before the camera. maybe I would agree if all your doing is aquarium photo's. his pics are top notch and being in the photography hobby for 40 years I can tell he knows what he's doing, but I don't think he's doing it with a fifty dollar lens. you don't need super expensive lenses, but good glass if far more important than flash or camera.
Well yeah, I was speaking in terms of aquarium photography, even though I believe the same holds true for general photography. I always tell my buddies to buy a speedlight before a new lens. The benefits of bounce flash in general photography are endless. It really transforms any and all pictures. Because let's face it, I can invest a couple hundred bucks in a fast lens like the 50mm f/1.4 or 60mm f/2.8, still doesn't mean you will get amazing pics. To get great aquarium pics, you need small apertures, fast shutter speeds, and low ISO. Using a big aperture like f/1.4 or f/2.8 isn't ideal for aquarium photography in my opinion; the shallow depth of field ruins the detail in the fish.

So, in order to get the best results you'll need to be shooting at f/8 to f/16. So then why waste the money and put it towards a lens that can do f/2.8 when it doesn't give you the best results if I can shoot at f/8-f/16 with a kit lens? To shoot at f/8-f/16 you need LIGHT, and a lot of it. That's why I say stick with the kit lens, and invest in 1-2 speedlights to start off. Sure, a better lens will give you a slightly sharper image and better autofocus, but without a speedlight, your pics still won't look good. Look at greenterras photos. A lot of his work is taken with the basic Canon kit lens, and his photos are amazing!

Yes, I do have good lenses (Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8 and 70-200mm f/2.8), but I don't attribute the quality of my pics to the lenses, I say it's the lighting. Afterall, I'm never shooting at f/2.8 with any of these lenses. I'm fairly certain I can get comparable results if I was using the $100 18-55mm kit lens. :)
 

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This is the first time I read this (well some if it) thread. i just got the Nikon D3100 for Christmas. It's awesome. I'm gonna do like you say J and get a speedlight or 2...
 
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