The Hypocrite thread mbu

[Fat Homer]

here we go again

Exactly why i've given up arguing on this board...

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

I always feel like a tank should be larger. I agree that 99 percent of the favorite fish on these forums are kept 99 percent of the time in tanks that are to small for them. I've kept cichlids a while and realize one thing, space matters. Even when keeping smaller aggressive fish like a demasoni there is no trick to supplement for tank size. Demasoni are aggressive and a 75 gallon tank is really a tank with one fish and a bunch of punching bags when it comes down to full grown demasoni. I'm bouncing mine from a 75 to a 6ft 100 gallon or 125 gallon soon as I can. I think that yeah a neon has enough room in a 5 gallon tank, same for a danio but really the animal is not able to live comfortably in there, notice the inhibition of the swimming patterns, danios are prone to obesity in small tanks if you give em a little room to stretch/swim they'll never get fat. I think all fish need more space with regards to these forums. I was guilty of jamming animals in tanks to small for a long time and the benefit of a larger tank seems intangible if you haven't had one but really I don't think a real cichlid tank is smaller than 6 ftx 1.5 ft. foot print what is a decent tank to house some larger SA cichlids or even arrows and rays. motoros are supposed to get up to 1 meter across the disk for a female but they are to often kept in tanks that are 2-4 ft. in depth. Keeping an animal for 12 months or even 2-3 years is often not a proper measure of good husbandry and living conditions. In the end keeping fish is a compromise between what is confortable for them and for us. We can't be nature, but we can try to do right by our animal. Just saying I don't want an arrow unless I got a tank that is over 8 ft. long and 4 ft. deep min. and realistically I even think that is a compromise. A 220 is not a tank meant for rays and arrows sadly.

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

Some of the tank sizes to fish you wrote are a little high, espcially the oscar. Anyways, I have been in these convos before and argued about it as well. I have owned 5 MBUs and currently have an MBU at 23" in a 180 living perfectly fine.

Its weird that those people that say an MBU belong in a 1000 gallon tank as a minimum have yet to respond to this thread.........

I think the OP is right, have you seen the difference in oscars kept in a 55 gallon tank to the oscars kept in a 220 and larger. The fish appear on average atleast 20 percent larger with way better fins and color. Just my observation from watching forums and seeing them around. Don't personally own an oscar.

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

Was just skimming some of your posts and came across Filbert. You put a Fahaka Puffer in a community tank and you started seeing fish vanish or missing fins, etc. Didn’t you Google how ferocious these fish can be? So basically you let a puffer murder your fish and kept it in there for longer periods of time? So your fish were suffering? Also, you had it in a 125 right? I’m going to guess standard 18" wide tank, you must have known these fish can reach up to 20" right? So why didn’t you have it in a 600 gallon 5 foot wide tank? Just curious.... http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136649



Also read your post on I guess your site about your experience with your MBU. You seemed to have an extremely large MBU in a extremely small tank to begin with. This to me seems like an isolated incident. I’m sure there are more stories out there just like what you did but that doesn’t mean we all do the same you did.
To go around saying this fish needs to be in a 1000 gallon tank is over the top. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with housing any size MBU from 1" to 30" in 1000 gallon tank, not every can afford to have one that big. These fish will survive in much smaller tanks and live healthy lives if the owner takes proper care of them. And not al MBUs are the same. Like I said in a post on here before, my MBU is lazy and lays on the bottom all day, most of my MBUs have done this, thou the smaller they are the more active they were. IF you have an MBU and he is overly active, hurting himself, freaking out, having a hard to turning around, then yes, it’s time for a bigger tank but if you don’t see that, most likely the MBU will be ok.

fish eating fish isn't murder silly its an expensive feeding. What african cichlids do to eatch other is murder

 

[Combatshock]

OK, ya got me but what about what I stated about room for exercise for this giant?

You're unbelievable.

"Ya' got me! I defiantly made a statement that I just knew was true! Was proven wrong and was called out on it. No biggie! I've also made other comments that have been throughly gutted multiple times over the course of multiple threads, of several months!

But lets ignore that. Onto my next fallacy!".

What is this, a continual process of you being proven wrong, and then misdirecting everyones attention onto some other random, outdated link?

Sorry to be confrontational there bud', but you're one of those "my opinion is fact, and I'll continue to reiterate it even after being proven wrong" fish keepers that so throughly irk me, and many others obviously.

 

[JasonsPlecosCichlids]

I just put my MBU in a 265, from a 180. I purchased a 500 gallon aquarium,put all my pbass, dats, 5 breeder rays, arro, etc. in there, no way I would addthe puffer to this tank. So the fish I removed from the 265 are in the 500 andthe MBU took over their tank. He is still active as always, eating tons ofshrimp and swims all over the place, tank is still 24" wide.

Now that I got a tank this big and a big puffer, it would be a waste ofspace for 1 big puffer. Especially when all he does is rests on the bottom forhours until feeding time. The tank is 48" wide, he is right at 24" ifnot 24". I’ve have also seen Bigrichs 1000 gallon tank, and again, a wasteof useable space for 1 big fish. Now unless you have the funds to house a fishin any size tank you want, there isn’t anything wrong with that, or saving upyour money forever to get a 500 gallon tank and adding just 1 mbu, that’s finetoo but it is NOT required to house an MBU till adult status. If you say I'm wrong, what evidence do you have to back up your claim besides your own so called expert opinion?

My MBU has been in the 180 for some time now, he isn’t dead, he is inperfect shape, he eats, the tank water is healthy, not stunted, I do very, VERYminimal water changes when he was in the 180 and it didn’t have any effectwhatsoever on his health and overall condition. I still hand feed him and helikes to be petted, he is awesome.

Someone made a comment about a fish being uncomfortable, So I guess my MBUwas uncomfortable the entire time he was in the 180. I mean, even thou he eatslike a horse, swims around, comes to me when I come up to the tank, lets me pethim, he sounds so very uncomfortable. Then you toss in about the bio-load, etc.I guess that MBU is producing so much crap, my filters, minimal water changesand the only fish in the tank, that’s way too much bio-load for the tank, so ifthat’s too much the I guess the load in my 500 is over the top right? So I shouldprobably remove 95 percent of the fish so the load isn’t so high…. Our water isdifferent from house to house, what we feed our fish, or filtration, waterchanges, so you can’t sit there and tell me my bio-load is going to be highbecause it isn’t. You want to come over and see for yourself? I invited anyoneover before and that invite is still open. All the people that have been to myhouse, fish keepers or not, the fish keepers never once said, dude, yourbio-load is high, you need a bigger tank, you also need better filtration, etc. Now that I have him back in the 265, hisactions are the exact same. If I put him in the 500, it will be the same. I hadthat smaller MBU, in a 180, all he did was sit in the corner until feedingtime.

I’m writing all this because I have this fish, I’m not pulling crap out ofarse like most people do, especially the people that don’t own these fish andnever will. I’m no scientist, I don’t have a PHD in water testing, I don’t tryto be cool and use scientific terms for the names of the fish, this is justsomething I like to do and I would not be spending all this money on fish if I didn’thave a little bit of knowledge in what I’m doing, never claimed to be a know itall like I see a lot of people on this board to be. Yes I have killed fishbefore because I didn’t know what I was doing, I have transferred diseases fromtank to tank and wiped all my fish out, have kept my fish to cold and to hot when I first started fish keeping, Iput the wrong fish together before and one got killed or they both got killed, Ihave fed my fish live fish such as goldfish, fed my fish live mice, there isn’ta person here on this board that hasn’t done at least one thing wrong in thefish keeping world, if you say you haven’t you are a liar. A lot of people hereact like they are experts when in fact they aren’t. They compile a list ofitems from the net, friends, books, maybe some personal knowledge and type itout on here for all to see, to try and make themselves look like they know whatthey are talking about. If you don’t like how I house any of my fish,especially my MBU, well good for you, you are not alone. Maybe one day I willbe as perfect as you all and buy a 1000 gallon tank for my MBU so I know he iscomfortable and the bio-load won’t hurt him. We all experiment on here to find what’sthe right thing to do and what not to do. I’m not experimenting with my fish,or MBU, I like where he is, to me my fish is “comfortable” and “happy” and “healthy”.I’m assuming my MBU is over 5 years old, I know he has been in 2 other handsbefore and he is a big boy, I will just stick with 5. I hope he lives forever butI know he won’t and when he does pass, I will let you all know and show you andprove to you that yes you can keep an adult MBU is something far less than a 10foot long, 1000 gallon aquarium. As long as nothing in my tank malfunctions, don’tlose power, freak accidents, there shouldn’t be anything that can happen to himsince he is the only fish in there, he doesn’t play well with other fish. Hedoes have a cataract in one eye and starting in another but he still sees well.I will hand feed him if I have to till the day he dies if he goes blind.

And just as in this thread below that someone in this thread posted, if allthese big arrows can live in a 550 that are just as big if not bigger than myMBU, then an MBU will have no issue whatsoever.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?307959-Arowana-Community-update

 

[kevinfleming21]

My Mbu is happy and awesome, always smiling!

 

[JasonsPlecosCichlids]

oh no, I have bio-load today, whatever shall I do.....

But seriously, here we are arguing about 1 single fish is a huge tank, stop and think about what most of you are saying, now go to your tanks and tell me what you see... you got 1 oscar in your 55? 1 arrowana in your 125? 1 redtail cat in your 150? or how about that gal on here that has all those cats, is that a 600, I cant remember..last time I checked those cats were huge and healthy, all those extremely large cats, larger than any MBU on MFK but yet she has no problems. Her cats must not poop at all. Im surprised you all arent telling her to get a 10,000 gallon tank, when I read her thread, just about everyone, if not everyone was giving her a thumbs up for how she set it up, but yet 1 lonely MBU gets hammered on because its not in a 1000 gallon tank or should I say 500-1000. You guys make absolutely, 100% no sense at all....

 

[johnny1234]

I just put my MBU in a 265, from a 180. I purchased a 500 gallon aquarium,put all my pbass, dats, 5 breeder rays, arro, etc. in there, no way I would addthe puffer to this tank. So the fish I removed from the 265 are in the 500 andthe MBU took over their tank. He is still active as always, eating tons ofshrimp and swims all over the place, tank is still 24" wide.

Now that I got a tank this big and a big puffer, it would be a waste ofspace for 1 big puffer. Especially when all he does is rests on the bottom forhours until feeding time. The tank is 48" wide, he is right at 24" ifnot 24". I’ve have also seen Bigrichs 1000 gallon tank, and again, a wasteof useable space for 1 big fish. Now unless you have the funds to house a fishin any size tank you want, there isn’t anything wrong with that, or saving upyour money forever to get a 500 gallon tank and adding just 1 mbu, that’s finetoo but it is NOT required to house an MBU till adult status. If you say I'm wrong, what evidence do you have to back up your claim besides your own so called expert opinion?

My MBU has been in the 180 for some time now, he isn’t dead, he is inperfect shape, he eats, the tank water is healthy, not stunted, I do very, VERYminimal water changes when he was in the 180 and it didn’t have any effectwhatsoever on his health and overall condition. I still hand feed him and helikes to be petted, he is awesome.

Someone made a comment about a fish being uncomfortable, So I guess my MBUwas uncomfortable the entire time he was in the 180. I mean, even thou he eatslike a horse, swims around, comes to me when I come up to the tank, lets me pethim, he sounds so very uncomfortable. Then you toss in about the bio-load, etc.I guess that MBU is producing so much crap, my filters, minimal water changesand the only fish in the tank, that’s way too much bio-load for the tank, so ifthat’s too much the I guess the load in my 500 is over the top right? So I shouldprobably remove 95 percent of the fish so the load isn’t so high…. Our water isdifferent from house to house, what we feed our fish, or filtration, waterchanges, so you can’t sit there and tell me my bio-load is going to be highbecause it isn’t. You want to come over and see for yourself? I invited anyoneover before and that invite is still open. All the people that have been to myhouse, fish keepers or not, the fish keepers never once said, dude, yourbio-load is high, you need a bigger tank, you also need better filtration, etc. Now that I have him back in the 265, hisactions are the exact same. If I put him in the 500, it will be the same. I hadthat smaller MBU, in a 180, all he did was sit in the corner until feedingtime.

I’m writing all this because I have this fish, I’m not pulling crap out ofarse like most people do, especially the people that don’t own these fish andnever will. I’m no scientist, I don’t have a PHD in water testing, I don’t tryto be cool and use scientific terms for the names of the fish, this is justsomething I like to do and I would not be spending all this money on fish if I didn’thave a little bit of knowledge in what I’m doing, never claimed to be a know itall like I see a lot of people on this board to be. Yes I have killed fishbefore because I didn’t know what I was doing, I have transferred diseases fromtank to tank and wiped all my fish out, have kept my fish to cold and to hot when I first started fish keeping, Iput the wrong fish together before and one got killed or they both got killed, Ihave fed my fish live fish such as goldfish, fed my fish live mice, there isn’ta person here on this board that hasn’t done at least one thing wrong in thefish keeping world, if you say you haven’t you are a liar. A lot of people hereact like they are experts when in fact they aren’t. They compile a list ofitems from the net, friends, books, maybe some personal knowledge and type itout on here for all to see, to try and make themselves look like they know whatthey are talking about. If you don’t like how I house any of my fish,especially my MBU, well good for you, you are not alone. Maybe one day I willbe as perfect as you all and buy a 1000 gallon tank for my MBU so I know he iscomfortable and the bio-load won’t hurt him. We all experiment on here to find what’sthe right thing to do and what not to do. I’m not experimenting with my fish,or MBU, I like where he is, to me my fish is “comfortable” and “happy” and “healthy”.I’m assuming my MBU is over 5 years old, I know he has been in 2 other handsbefore and he is a big boy, I will just stick with 5. I hope he lives forever butI know he won’t and when he does pass, I will let you all know and show you andprove to you that yes you can keep an adult MBU is something far less than a 10foot long, 1000 gallon aquarium. As long as nothing in my tank malfunctions, don’tlose power, freak accidents, there shouldn’t be anything that can happen to himsince he is the only fish in there, he doesn’t play well with other fish. Hedoes have a cataract in one eye and starting in another but he still sees well.I will hand feed him if I have to till the day he dies if he goes blind.

And just as in this thread below that someone in this thread posted, if allthese big arrows can live in a 550 that are just as big if not bigger than myMBU, then an MBU will have no issue whatsoever.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?307959-Arowana-Community-update

right on and very well said. now lets me and you start a giant puffer forum
i like this guy

 

[Andrex]

Ive noticed all the "1000g clan" has cleared off now, we have made too many points about why they do NOT need 1000g.