Hello; This.
Hello;This for sure then come back after.
Hello; You may be thinking of the TV commercials about yogurt and such. Read the thread, this a different sort of "probiotic" situation. Within the context of the thread you are wrong.
The Use of Probiotics in Aquaculture
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The main reason why most are dosing to help ease up on maintenance (clean foam/changing socks, brealing down solids in the tank)
The health benefits of outcompeting harmful bacteria is a bonus.
I have had to "gravel" vac or vac waste off the substrate in yrs. All ends up in the filter socks
So whats wrong with stress zyme and foods that contain probiotics?
Im sorry, i just dont want to read all that. if you dont want to answer fine, but a short direct answer would be fine, im pretty smart
Im sorry, i just dont want to read all that. if you dont want to answer fine, but a short direct answer would be fine, im pretty smart
Probiotics in food is pretty useless. The actual content of viable probiotic bacteria in them is said to be negligible. This stuff is more for cleaning filters and competing for space with harmful stuff.
Hello; We have been giving you fairly direct answers in easy to follow terms. If you do not what to use the stuff, then don't. To each his/her own.So whats wrong with stress zyme and foods that contain probiotics?
Im sorry, i just dont want to read all that. if you dont want to answer fine, but a short direct answer would be fine, im pretty smart
Good luck anyway
Stress Zyme would be considered a probiotic, doing the same thing as the others such as Rid-X, mentioned in the thread.
And may be probably priced accordingly, as in aquarium salt ( and I don't mean salt for salt water tanks).
eg
16 oz of Aquarium salt $5-$10 (99% NaCl)
50 lbs of salt (99%NaCl) at the hardware store $5
And may be probably priced accordingly, as in aquarium salt ( and I don't mean salt for salt water tanks).
eg
16 oz of Aquarium salt $5-$10 (99% NaCl)
50 lbs of salt (99%NaCl) at the hardware store $5
I know, i use solar salt from the hardware store. I do appreciate the clarification, i was just wondering this.
I do apoligize for not wanting to read the thread, its 46 pages of thread and i dont like reading computer screens very much (makes me have blury visilon, i prefer books)
Now to my point:
I am raising my guppies in 20 gallon highs with undergravel filters as the ONLY filtration. They have airstones on each end.
I know this is gonna bring some hateful comments, but im pretty confident i can do it just fine.
SO the stress zyme and probiotic food have Bacillus in them both, and i assume this is the type of bacteria that breaks down leftover food in the substrate?
Why would someone need all 3? (In tank, in food, in liquid)
Are you saying just the more bacteria the FASTER it breakes it down?
Cant nitrates get pretty high this way? (bi-product of BB)
I do apoligize for not wanting to read the thread, its 46 pages of thread and i dont like reading computer screens very much (makes me have blury visilon, i prefer books)
Now to my point:
I am raising my guppies in 20 gallon highs with undergravel filters as the ONLY filtration. They have airstones on each end.
I know this is gonna bring some hateful comments, but im pretty confident i can do it just fine.
SO the stress zyme and probiotic food have Bacillus in them both, and i assume this is the type of bacteria that breaks down leftover food in the substrate?
Why would someone need all 3? (In tank, in food, in liquid)
Are you saying just the more bacteria the FASTER it breakes it down?
Cant nitrates get pretty high this way? (bi-product of BB)
This is a different type of BB, eats the solid waste before it can decompose into nitrate if I understand correctly.
Hello; I used underground filters (UGF) as the only filtration for a decade or so back in the late 1950's and 1960's. They work. You should plan to have a decent schedule of WC. May I also suggest using a gravel vac in the substrate during the WC.
hello; I have not made a point of keeping track so may be wrong, but I think you are the only one who keeps making a point about probiotics in food. How about your starting a different thread about probiotics in food. May be you can get the answers you seek that way. Will also save you the trouble of reading this thread.
hello; There will be numerous strains of bacteria in an aquarium. The ones I think of as bb (beneficial bacteria) are involved in the change of ammonia and nitrites into nitrates. Among the other strains of bacteria will be the decomposers. Yes an end product of the decay process can be ammonia which feeds into the bb cycle.
At any rate the source of the nitrates is not so much the issue as these can be dealt with mainly by WC. I guess if the bulk volume of detritus (organic or otherwise) is reduced by the action of bacteria and enzymes (from RID-X) as is being discussed in this thread, then some nitrates may be introduced into the water sooner.
I do not imagine the overall or longer term amount of nitrates will be much changed either way.
I also used UGF in the late 50s and early 60s (they were called Miracle filters back then), and on similar sized guppy tanks, and back then, (but without any additives), they did fine, bred like rabbits, Even though, then, water changes were thought to be bad.
I believe many keepers in MFK have fish that sh't almost as much and at a volume, as we humans do, and other than vacuuming it out (I vacuum every other day, sometimes every day (as a rule)) any help breaking it down is a blessing.
The subject of probiotics in aquariums, has nothing directly to do with fish food.
It is about waste treatment, and competition against pathogenic bacteria.
And for "me" the primary use (focus) was the completion against pathogens, and other nasties like cyanobacteria, and columnaris (which lives and can have a latency period in detritus) was my main focus.
Way back in the thread maybe 30 pages, I posted photos of my experiment using Rid-X to reduce those same cyanobacteria.
I believe many keepers in MFK have fish that sh't almost as much and at a volume, as we humans do, and other than vacuuming it out (I vacuum every other day, sometimes every day (as a rule)) any help breaking it down is a blessing.
The subject of probiotics in aquariums, has nothing directly to do with fish food.
It is about waste treatment, and competition against pathogenic bacteria.
And for "me" the primary use (focus) was the completion against pathogens, and other nasties like cyanobacteria, and columnaris (which lives and can have a latency period in detritus) was my main focus.
Way back in the thread maybe 30 pages, I posted photos of my experiment using Rid-X to reduce those same cyanobacteria.
