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Why not to use sand

I'm sure you are trying to help people but its different for everyone and all set ups are different. For me I have none of the problems you talked about.

I just have to be careful when cleaning the glass with scrub magnets, so i don't pick up any sand and scratch the glass.
 
I used that stuff called Argonite or something similiar. This is for planted tanks. What a nightmare ruined two big aquaclear filters. Stuff took forever to settle. I used white sand for cichlids one time stuff was always dirty it seemed. For me sand was nothing but a pain in the ***. A friend of mine has sand with his discuss and swears by it and the tank 9125 looks fantastic. But for me I will choose gravel anyday. But really go with what YOU like.
 
Allan01230;3202479; said:
I used that stuff called Argonite or something similiar. This is for planted tanks. What a nightmare ruined two big aquaclear filters. Stuff took forever to settle. I used white sand for cichlids one time stuff was always dirty it seemed. For me sand was nothing but a pain in the ***. A friend of mine has sand with his discuss and swears by it and the tank 9125 looks fantastic. But for me I will choose gravel anyday. But really go with what YOU like.
OOps that tank be a 125!
 
nc_nutcase;3202118; said:
Jamie, I am absolutely NOT saying you should be using sand. They are your tanks and do whatever makes you happy with them... But it is fair to mention in response to this that grain size of the sand can make all the difference. The pretty colored sand sold at most LFS's labeled "Aquarium Sand" is typically very fine grained and often causes such problems. Using a larger grained sand will highly reduce the potential for filter damage... also prefilters can be used to prevent sand from ever entering the filter...

Since you had $100 worth of sand I can only assume you bought the over priced "Aquarium Sand", as Pool Filter Sand or other industrial purpose sands (the larger grained stuff) is usually around $4~8 per 50 lbs, making $100 worth or it more than even the most monstrous fish tanks would need.



As mentioned previously… waste is lighter than sand and the gaps between sand particles is smaller than even exceptionally small waste particles… therefore it is unlikely to “settle” into the sand…

The gaps between pieces of gravel are MUCH larger than gaps between sand particles and does allow waste to fall into the gravel. So the problem of waste rotting in gravel causing an ammonia spike is far greater than the same thing happening with sand.

Sure you can gravel vac… but simply put, you will never be able to get all of the rotting waste out of the gravel through conventional gravel vacuuming… then consider the time/effort of siphoning waste off the surface of sand and giving it a quick stir to doing a gravel vac… It’s much easier to keep a sand bottomed tank much cleaner…

Lastly, I won’t quote anyone on this as many posters have made this error… Sand “can” compact and allow gases to form… it is not true nor fair to say sand “does” compact and allow gases to form… Myself an many other hobbyists can speak from personal experience that this is an exceptionally rare, yet possible, thing to have happen in a fish tank… and in those rare situations that it does, it is due to user error (typically deep sand beds AND not disturbing those sand beds for an extended period of time).

I agree this thread is just silly… yet I feel compelled to defuse misinformation or poor guidance… I completely agree we can make poor decisions when using sand and cause problems… but the sand didn’t cause the problem, the poor decision did… So proper education is the solution, not using gravel…

Well said. :clap
 
hybridtheoryd16;3199807; said:
I have lost more pumps and filters to sand over the years than I can count. That for me is enough of a reason to stay away from it. That and the fact that it shows dirt very very easily.

Agreed. tried it on a q tank and got sick of opening my canister and finding sand in it.
 
Polyptasaurus;3202450; said:
wow... if i knew this was gonna go on and on like this i never would have posted it in the first place, lol. Guys, there are pros and cons of both gravel and sand. I dont really know any cons to FINE gravel... but otherwise its really just based on personal preference or the fish you have.
What is this. Make up your mind man!;)

/closethread
 
MonsterMinis;3200637; said:
I just got rid of my fine gravel because it was chewing up my fire eel... atm he's in a bare bottom tank... and I'm still not detered from useing sand. speaking of. Carib-sea sand? it comes in black and white is that eel safe? local petsmart has it cheap. checked out the pool filter sand. wasn't keen on the colors available. but I like the black stuff... only it doesn't say on the bag what it's made of. wanna avoid silica.

:popcorn:

Even people that have been in the hobby for almost 20 years and worked for both major US chains, as well as private stores ask questions sometimes. :hitting:

Hey mate, don't know if this will help you but in Australia there are many different types of sand. I went in search for some sand that didn't have silica and its pretty hard unless you want to pay top dollar for sand which has had the silica washed/filtered out of it. I did however find some sand which contains little to no silica, there were two types here that i found - Washed River Sand (Coarse Grit) which was a darkish brown colour and needed some sifting in order to get the larger (3-5mm dia) rocks out, and the other was Washed River Sand (Medium Grit) which looks similar to beach sand. Both these sands are meant to contain less silica. I use this in my turtle tank and have had no probs with it so far.
 
Ya the argonite or other (FW) planted tank medium needs to be rinsed really really really well. I mean I rinsed it 8 times, dumped it into the tank, and had to do a water change immediately, then it cleared up in a day. I like that it is a dark medium and plants really do root faster with it.
 
my opinion is that you need fich that stur op the sand .

i have my ray's wich blows sand away and around in the search for food . and i have my jurupari's wich eat the sand to filter eatebel stuf in it .

then it wont be a problem .

greetings