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THIS is the exact bill signed into law by Brown.
citizens currently trying to overturn it.

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BILL START

Assembly Bill No. 1266
CHAPTER 85

An act to amend Section 221.5 of the Education Code, relating to pupil rights.

[ Approved by Governor August 12, 2013. Filed with Secretary of State August 12, 2013. ]

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

AB 1266, Ammiano. Pupil rights: sex-segregated school programs and activities.
Existing law prohibits public schools from discriminating on the basis of specified characteristics, including gender, gender identity, and gender expression, and specifies various statements of legislative intent and the policies of the state in that regard. Existing law requires that participation in a particular physical education activity or sport, if required of pupils of one sex, be available to pupils of each sex.
This bill would require that a pupil be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.
DIGEST KEY
Vote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: no Local Program: no
BILL TEXT
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 221.5 of the Education Code is amended to read:
221.5. (a) It is the policy of the state that elementary and secondary school classes and courses, including nonacademic and elective classes and courses, be conducted, without regard to the sex of the pupil enrolled in these classes and courses.
(b) A school district may not prohibit a pupil from enrolling in any class or course on the basis of the sex of the pupil, except a class subject to Chapter 5.6 (commencing with Section 51930) of Part 28 of Division 4 of Title 2.
(c) A school district may not require a pupil of one sex to enroll in a particular class or course, unless the same class or course is also required of a pupil of the opposite sex.
(d) A school counselor, teacher, instructor, administrator, or aide may not, on the basis of the sex of a pupil, offer vocational or school program guidance to a pupil of one sex that is different from that offered to a pupil of the opposite sex or, in counseling a pupil, differentiate career, vocational, or higher education opportunities on the basis of the sex of the pupil counseled. Any school personnel acting in a career counseling or course selection capacity to a pupil shall affirmatively explore with the pupil the possibility of careers, or courses leading to careers, that are nontraditional for that pupil’s sex. The parents or legal guardian of the pupil shall be notified in a general manner at least once in the manner prescribed by Section 48980, in advance of career counseling and course selection commencing with course selection for grade 7 so that they may participate in the counseling sessions and decisions.
(e) Participation in a particular physical education activity or sport, if required of pupils of one sex, shall be available to pupils of each sex.
(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.
 

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thanks.. that clearly is an abstract law in the respect that it doesn't define "facilities".. (as bathroom , shower).. it's pretty open ended...a few modifications might be a better solution than outright repeal?...it's a shame the wacko extremes control the debate ,, it doesn't give much room for compromise
 

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Umm wow, and I'm sure there are plenty of hormonal teenage boys out there who would be willing to wear a dress to school to be able to see some boobs. I had guys in my school dress as girls as results of bets or just as a joke to see what type of response they could get, so I'm sure they would be willing to do it for co-ed shower time.
 

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What do they mean by " facilities", everything seemed pretty obvious until then. Basically girls and boys football,home ec classes, dance classes, and just plain ol discrimination was what they were trying to get at. Everything except that last line of the paragraph seemed fine to me


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Inglorious

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I also read it that guys would be able to play on the girls teams i.e. join the girls basketball team instead of the boys team. This is different from title 9 allowing students to participate in sports where there typically isn't a team for that gender i.e. girls on the football team or boys playing volleyball
 

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What do they mean by " facilities", everything seemed pretty obvious until then. Basically girls and boys football,home ec classes, dance classes, and just plain ol discrimination was what they were trying to get at. Everything except that last line of the paragraph seemed fine to me


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x2 you would think that some kind of compromise could be reached if parties on both sides had students best interest at heart..how about an ammendment that would allow admin of each school district to "identify" trans gender people... (at the risk of law suit of course upon denial).................. by the way this law reads .. at least to the son of a longtime judge... access could be denied on the basis of the student being deceptive about gender identity(IN OTHER words ... you want to sue for denial of rights ,,, YOU are gonna need to prove it..)
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lp85253

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Umm wow, and I'm sure there are plenty of hormonal teenage boys out there who would be willing to wear a dress to school to be able to see some boobs. I had guys in my school dress as girls as results of bets or just as a joke to see what type of response they could get, so I'm sure they would be willing to do it for co-ed shower time.
honestly .. i DON'T think any judge with any asperations of keeping his job would uphold some kid in a dress (for the first and only time), lawsuit about discrimination ... common sense does come into play in MOST courtrooms....... in other words access still could be denied by common sense application
 

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I also read it that guys would be able to play on the girls teams i.e. join the girls basketball team instead of the boys team. This is different from title 9 allowing students to participate in sports where there typically isn't a team for that gender i.e. girls on the football team or boys playing volleyball
THAT part is I am sure true.. AND honestly IF jimmy wants to play girls v-ball,,, let him ,,, imo.. really can't see the harm in co-ed sports these days
 

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THAT part is I am sure true.. AND honestly IF jimmy wants to play girls v-ball,,, let him ,,, imo.. really can't see the harm in co-ed sports these days
Jimmy playing volleyball with the girls isn't a problem, but Jimmy playing basketball with them because he doesn't want to play with the boys is an issue.
 
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