Convict and green terror - deathrow convicts ?

[ChrisRoundsCichlids]

In my 80gal my green terror M and convict F have been breeding. The convict is well over two years old - I'm not sure of the terrors age, but I bought him when he was relatively the same size as the convict, earlier this fall. I knew it was possible that they would try to breed, but I obviously didn't think it would happen.. but low and behold, they're on their fourth clutch this year.

The first clutch hatched but no fry seemed to survive - the terror male was eating some of them. The second clutch had about 10 survivors - some of them are still in the tank, and I mean they're cute, but Im likely only going to keep one of the nicest ones to throw in another tank.

I destroyed another egg clutch the other night as well... If this keeps up I'm going to have to seperate the two but I'm hoping once the terror grows out (he's just starting to exceed male.convict size) their mating behavior will hopefully subside. I have an Oscar in the same tank so he's slowly been picking off the babies as they're getting big enough to see now ?

Either way, I thought this has been pretty interesting to see develop - Im also not trying to condone hybridization, this has just been kind of an odd experience that I hope ends soon haha.
These babies are true their parents - I didn't know baby fish could be so mean to each other! When it's food time they're constantly squabbling and I can't imagine what evil awaits them in adulthood. Hence.. I've dubbed them deathrow convicts lol. I'm not sure these fish could be in a tank with any other fish, and personally, I don't think they're worth having a dedicated tank.

But of course, Ive still attached some pictures of the babies! Any advice/comments appreciated

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Looks to me more like andinoacara pulcher x convict. Definitely not green terror "Andinoacara Stalsbergi" or even "Andinoacara Rivulatus" eyes alone give that away. For over 20 years I've seen people claim to have bred green terror to another species and i am yet to see it happen even with thousands actively attempting especially in Thailand.

 

[Ozzie73]

Looks to me more like andinoacara pulcher x convict. Definitely not green terror "Andinoacara Stalsbergi" or even "Andinoacara Rivulatus" eyes alone give that away. For over 20 years I've seen people claim to have bred green terror to another species and i am yet to see it happen even with thousands actively attempting especially in Thailand.

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It's about time! Welcome to the board brother

 

[ChrisRoundsCichlids]

It's about time! Welcome to the board brother

Haha thank you. Long overdue right?

 

[Illunara]

Looks to me more like andinoacara pulcher x convict. Definitely not green terror "Andinoacara Stalsbergi" or even "Andinoacara Rivulatus" eyes alone give that away. For over 20 years I've seen people claim to have bred green terror to another species and i am yet to see it happen even with thousands actively attempting especially in Thailand.

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You're right, I guess I should have posted a picture of the parents. I just figured that when I joined a fish forum there would be people who would help me with this confusing situation... I've attached a picture with parents.

Now I'm still fairly new to fishkeeping so FORGIVE me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the male is andinoacara rivultus... Not andinoacara pulcher.

 

[Illunara]

And in case there's any more disbelief, I've attached a full photo of the tank.. no blue acara. Sorry to disappoint?

 

[Illunara]

None had the rivi's orange tail fin edges? That would have been pretty sweet.

Most of their fins are still pretty transparent - they have the speckling on their tail fins, but it's barely visible right now so I'm hoping it will color up!

 

[ChrisRoundsCichlids]

You're right, I guess I should have posted a picture of the parents. I just figured that when I joined a fish forum there would be people who would help me with this confusing situation... I've attached a picture with parents.

Now I'm still fairly new to fishkeeping so FORGIVE me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the male is andinoacara rivultus... Not andinoacara pulcher.

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That definitely looks Rivulatus to me. No need to get defensive. I was purely trying to help you. But to me the offspring do not match the rivulatus. They match pulcher. Scale pattern as well. Offspring show nothing to do with rivulatus. Rivulatus will not get the black over their eyes like this. Do you have others in the tank with them as well?

 

[Illunara]

That definitely looks Rivulatus to me. No need to get defensive. I was purely trying to help you. But to me the offspring do not match the rivulatus. They match pulcher. Scale pattern as well. Offspring show nothing to do with rivulatus. Rivulatus will not get the black over their eyes like this. Do you have others in the tank with them as well?

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All of the babies have dark in their eyes at some point or another, but it never stays. I thought it was something to do with light because it's usually the ones that have their personal bubbles underneath the logs that have them. It's happening less the bigger they get.

Sorry to be a little defensive, but if you didn't believe me all that you needed to do was ask for a picture of the parents. Innocent until proven guilty, right? Be in disbelief - that's the scientific method, afterall, but it seems like you've pretty much made your mind that the spawn couldn't be from rivulatus. I guess I'm trying to say your first post pretty well tried to label me a liar, and I may be stretching things but it's not like you asked for proof, you just automatically assumed I was lying/wrong. I guess I took that the wrong way, and I'm a little defensive, I just like polite people I guess.

 

[ChrisRoundsCichlids]

Either way congratulations on the spawn

All of the babies have dark in their eyes at some point or another, but it never stays. I thought it was something to do with light because it's usually the ones that have their personal bubbles underneath the logs that have them. It's happening less the bigger they get.

Sorry to be a little defensive, but if you didn't believe me all that you needed to do was ask for a picture of the parents. Innocent until proven guilty, right? Be in disbelief - that's the scientific method, afterall, but it seems like you've pretty much made your mind that the spawn couldn't be from rivulatus. I guess I'm trying to say your first post pretty well tried to label me a liar, and I may be stretching things but it's not like you asked for proof, you just automatically assumed I was lying/wrong. I guess I took that the wrong way, and I'm a little defensive, I just like polite people I guess.

Im not trying to label you a liar. Alls I said is that ive never seen it done before and many have tried. Then simply asked if anything else was in with them because believe it or not mistakes do happen... again your acting extra sensitive for absolutely no reason. So what if if I dont believe you? Grow them out and prove me wrong. I was just stating what i thought they looked like considering ive had and bred Stalsbergi,Rivulatus, and pulcher. Im not sure why your over reacting buddy. Take a deep breath. Ill go on my merry way and keep my opinions to myself. Its really not a big deal

 

[Illunara]

Either way congratulations on the spawn

Im not trying to label you a liar. Alls I said is that ive never seen it done before and many have tried. Then simply asked if anything else was in with them because believe it or not mistakes do happen... again your acting extra sensitive for absolutely no reason. So what if if I dont believe you? Grow them out and prove me wrong. I was just stating what i thought they looked like considering ive had and bred Stalsbergi,Rivulatus, and pulcher. Im not sure why your over reacting buddy. Take a deep breath. Ill go on my merry way and keep my opinions to myself. Its really not a big deal

Look, you said it's "definitely not a rivulatus" based on the eyes alone. That means that without a doubt, you don't believe what I've said. I'm not trying to be overly sensitive here, but please just have some realization in the words you've said lol.

And you're right, I'm sorry I was sensitive in my first reply - I joined fish forums because such a weird thing happened to me and I thought it was exciting to share, but on multiple sites I've only ever been faced with disbelief. I didn't join them to have to prove myself, it's just kind of exhausting. I'm not made for the forum life I guess, this'll be my last post don't worry.