A new start for my main tank?

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Lol, yes, if you like the picture you will love the reality. Those things breed like mice; start with a douple dozen, end the summer with a thousand or more. You can have several generations in the pond all together; if they ever eat their young, it certainly isn't done to any great extent. They get ridiculously tame in no time, with the whole swarm frantically begging for food when you approach them. And they're always on display and easily seen. They will easily survive under ice as long as there is still some liquid water down there somewhere; they do great even without feeding in my little pond that is heavily grown with algae and plants.

I like them so much that I should have known they would be illegal soon...:(
 

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Well, it took a couple days of flopping around in a few inches of muddy water at the bottom of the drained pond, but I got all of them! It turned out that I had 22 large goldfish (5-6 inches), of which one was lost when it became entangled with one of the numerous handfuls of hornwort and/or cattails that I was removing and composting. I also had a total of over 300 (!) youngsters that had been spawned in the pond this summer, ranging from 0.5 to 1.5 inches in size. I ended up removing all the youngsters from the "goldfish tank"...holy crap, I have a goldfish tank!...and placing them into a smallish stock tank I keep in the basement. The 21 remaining big guys all went into the 360, along with a couple of Hypostomus laplatae plecos (Uruguayan, and so assumedly cold-tolerant), some Garra doctor fish and panda loaches, and two pairs of Cichlasoma dimerus. All of these fish spent the summer outdoors and have come inside only recently;

I've recently picked up a half-dozen Horseface Loaches that will eventually go in there as well, but they are still small and I want them to grow a bit before introducing them.

Finally, I have another half-dozen Megalechis picta "hoplo" cats, which I would love to introduce to the tank as well. Despite their much more equatorial range, many websites indicate a cold-tolerance down into the low 60F range. I am afraid the tank will be slightly cooler than that, and will also perhaps have more water movement from the filter pump and two circulating pumps than these cats will appreciate. We shall see.
 

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Well, it took a couple days of flopping around in a few inches of muddy water at the bottom of the drained pond, but I got all of them! It turned out that I had 22 large goldfish (5-6 inches), of which one was lost when it became entangled with one of the numerous handfuls of hornwort and/or cattails that I was removing and composting. I also had a total of over 300 (!) youngsters that had been spawned in the pond this summer, ranging from 0.5 to 1.5 inches in size. I ended up removing all the youngsters from the "goldfish tank"...holy crap, I have a goldfish tank!...and placing them into a smallish stock tank I keep in the basement. The 21 remaining big guys all went into the 360, along with a couple of Hypostomus laplatae plecos (Uruguayan, and so assumedly cold-tolerant), some Garra doctor fish and panda loaches, and two pairs of Cichlasoma dimerus. All of these fish spent the summer outdoors and have come inside only recently;

I've recently picked up a half-dozen Horseface Loaches that will eventually go in there as well, but they are still small and I want them to grow a bit before introducing them.

Finally, I have another half-dozen Megalechis picta "hoplo" cats, which I would love to introduce to the tank as well. Despite their much more equatorial range, many websites indicate a cold-tolerance down into the low 60F range. I am afraid the tank will be slightly cooler than that, and will also perhaps have more water movement from the filter pump and two circulating pumps than these cats will appreciate. We shall see.
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Yeah, yeah, okay, lol...laugh it up...enjoy yourself...

...but I won't be leapfrogging over buckets and pails of goldfish...won't be installing them in one of my bathtubs or driving to distant stores or writing poetry or singing songs or setting up college funds for them. Feeders is feeders. :)

Tomorrow morning my wife is going shopping in the city; the second she leaves, out come the blender and the gelatin powder and the ice cube trays. I have a couple of decent pike already filleted in the freezer, a big bag of Northfin almost-expired pellets, some vitamin powder, about a gallon of freshly harvested duckweed...and those goldfish. By this time tomorrow, my 300 baby goldfish will be reduced to about 25 baby goldfish...and twenty trays of nice juicy gel-food cubes. :)

Mwahahahahaha.....(insert hands-rubbing emoji here)...😎
 

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Yeah, yeah, okay, lol...laugh it up...enjoy yourself...

...but I won't be leapfrogging over buckets and pails of goldfish...won't be installing them in one of my bathtubs or driving to distant stores or writing poetry or singing songs or setting up college funds for them. Feeders is feeders. :)

Tomorrow morning my wife is going shopping in the city; the second she leaves, out come the blender and the gelatin powder and the ice cube trays. I have a couple of decent pike already filleted in the freezer, a big bag of Northfin almost-expired pellets, some vitamin powder, about a gallon of freshly harvested duckweed...and those goldfish. By this time tomorrow, my 300 baby goldfish will be reduced to about 25 baby goldfish...and twenty trays of nice juicy gel-food cubes. :)

Mwahahahahaha.....(insert hands-rubbing emoji here)...😎
Any thiaminese concerns?
 

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Yes, yes, yes, go for it. It will be a refreshing and interesting journey for you, and one I will be following along with should you dive in.

BUT, BUT, BUT......I won't be following along if you get any of these abominations, in fact i'll more than likely block you! Lol.

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FOR REAL FOR REAL!!! I mortally hate bubble eyes and certain other species. Ryukins, Ranchus, and even Lionheads are WAY better. You should get a blue variation of some of these mentioned, they are really pretty. :D
 

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Yeah, yeah, okay, lol...laugh it up...enjoy yourself...

...but I won't be leapfrogging over buckets and pails of goldfish...won't be installing them in one of my bathtubs or driving to distant stores or writing poetry or singing songs or setting up college funds for them. Feeders is feeders. :)

Tomorrow morning my wife is going shopping in the city; the second she leaves, out come the blender and the gelatin powder and the ice cube trays. I have a couple of decent pike already filleted in the freezer, a big bag of Northfin almost-expired pellets, some vitamin powder, about a gallon of freshly harvested duckweed...and those goldfish. By this time tomorrow, my 300 baby goldfish will be reduced to about 25 baby goldfish...and twenty trays of nice juicy gel-food cubes. :)

Mwahahahahaha.....(insert hands-rubbing emoji here)...😎
Blenders are for wimps. Not savage enough. Leave 'em whole in the jello with floating pieces of veggies. Then you can see the eyes as they disappear...FACE THE TRUTH.

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Any thiaminese concerns?
Actually...plenty! That's why I always add vitamin powder to the mix (including B1), and why the goldfish and rosy reds make up only a limited percentage of the protein portion of the recipe. The 4 pike fillets I am adding to the mix outweigh all 250 goldfish, and pike are apparently thiaminase-free.

I'm half-wishing that I had never heard of thiaminase. I always fed a diet that was as varied as possible, and never experienced any problems back in the days of blissful ignorance. Once thiaminase appeared on everybody's radar, it quickly got to the point where it was scary to feed your fish...well, pretty much anything!

I know the stuff exists, and that it is a source of potential problems. I'm simply trying not to go overboard on the thiaminase terror-train. It's in some foods, as are many other deleterious substances. Feeding a varied diet should prevent an overabundance of any of these bad things, in the same way that it should prevent a deficit in important vitamins and nutrients.


Blenders are for wimps. Not savage enough. Leave 'em whole in the jello with floating pieces of veggies. Then you can see the eyes as they disappear...FACE THE TRUTH.

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Yeah, I tried that...but a gel-food that contains great big chunks of anything like whole fish, also contains way too much gelatin. I don't want my gel foods to be the equivalent of that most disgusting of human food concoctions known as "head-cheese", i.e. I don't want to create a great quivering glob of gelatin with food chunks embedded in it, regardless of how cool it is to "see the eyes". :)

Processing all the ingredients down to a fine texture ensures that every piece of the gel-food, regardless of how small one may cut it up, contains a bit of everything; an eyeball in every mouthful! :) Plus, it makes the stuff an actual block of food, with just enough gelatin incorporated to get it to hold together. This takes a surprisingly small amount of gelatin, especially if you mix it up using the water from thawed frozen fish foods, which adds more nutrients that would otherwise be going to waste. Great texture, sublime aroma, excellent "mouth-feel", with hints of citrus, smoke and papaya and a crisp clean finish with no aftertaste. :grinyes:

Kidding aside, the goldfish are humanely dispatched before being pureed. That charming little guy illustrated above has the right idea; clubs are very efficient. :hitting:

Okay, kidding really aside: you should be pointing that finger at all those sadistic idiots posting videos of their piranhas eating live mice and frogs, or all the "snapping turtle vs. electric eel" types who love to watch violence in the comfort of their living rooms. I have no problem killing critters...but it is always done in a quick humane manner, not for gory entertainment.
 
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