Aequidens metae and/or diadema

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Correct. This was the hobby standard before forums.




Given it was the hobby standard for so long, all my books and magazine articles use SL. Lots of old timers on here use it still too. So yes, it can account for some of the discrepancy.
In theory, maybe, but I've accounted for that. I'm relatively new as a poster on this particular forum but have been around the hobby a long time, off an on since the 1960s and non-stop since the late 80s, so way before fish forums and well before the internet as a social phenomenon-- so I understand the difference.

In any case, I know the differences in size of my own fish I've kept no matter which way you'd prefer to measure them and my interest here is in parsing out the relative size of the fish in question, or whether there actually is a consistent size difference between these species-- or whether it simply come down to individual variance within the species-- like it does with a number of other cichlids I've kept. I realize you're just trying to clarify something not everyone may account for, so no problem with that as far as it goes, but it's simply not the question I'm interested in. On the other hand, if you have something substantial on a consistent size difference between these species I'm interested.
 
No, nothing definitely. These acaras are really kept this side of the pond. I know there is a recent cf. metae, which would probably been mistaken for a true metae before ... they could have a size difference. Also remember a lot of the wide ranging species are being broken up into several lately, so this could be what you are seeing as well. I just haven't seen/talked with enough hobbyist that kept these guys to get a sense of if that is the difference or not.
 
No, nothing definitely. These acaras are really kept this side of the pond. I know there is a recent cf. metae, which would probably been mistaken for a true metae before ... they could have a size difference. Also remember a lot of the wide ranging species are being broken up into several lately, so this could be what you are seeing as well. I just haven't seen/talked with enough hobbyist that kept these guys to get a sense of if that is the difference or not.
Good point, makes as much sense as anything I've thought of. Just part of the complexity of SA cichlids, I guess.

I've been on (and translated from Danish, Polish, Swedish, etc.) European forums and gotten a bit of info there, still not much of anyone saying "I've had a lot of these and here's the size range of this vs. that species", although via forum I talked to a Scandinavian guy a few years ago who had both metae and diadema. His metae were definitely metae and according to him metae was the smaller of the two, but also hard to argue with Jeff Rapps.

Still, A. sp. Jenaro Herrera seems uncommon no matter where I've looked. All the more reason for whoever gets them to post updates. :thumbsup:
 
This thread has just cost me $100...If anybody has definitive information on the A. sp. Jenaro Herrera and the A. sp. Metae please post it up!
 
I have a write up on the A. sp. Jenaro Herrera in a book I could bring to one of the plant swaps or GSAS meetings you could read SinSoB.
 
I have a write up on the A. sp. Jenaro Herrera in a book I could bring to one of the plant swaps or GSAS meetings you could read SinSoB.

Awesome, thanks darthpike!
 
Its gotta be part of his marketing scheme!

Are you a paid spokesperson for TUIC? ;)

LMAO No, but I have never had a bad experience in the three orders I have placed with him, so I am a fan. :)

I actually have decided to skip both the metae and stalsbergi. My order will be for some Tahuantinsuyoa macantzatza 'Incan stone fish' and some Aequidens sp. 'Jenaro Herrera'. Ordering in the morning for Friday delivery.


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Excellent choices. Put some leaves in with the macantzatza when they are ready to breed.
 
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