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Converting Cichla off Live Food

just sharing method that convert very stubborn juv PB from live feeder to mp
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may be someone already used before, paisei....

to make it work, need some juv PB trained mp in tank.

1)place the stubborn juv pb + juv endi (any bottom deweller with mp trained)in breeder box and place in tank.

2)feed the stubborn juv pb with live stock(live ghost shrimp) till it pui pui.

3)then every day repeat mp feeding to tank pb only. don feed that pb in breeder box.

4) after the stubborn pb with headup whenever u do the action feeding, throw small mp in breeder box per pc each time. no worry of mp eaten by bottom deweller. make sure always 1 pce mp left. if 2hr later mp still there scoop up to avoid water fowl.

keep repeating 3rd and 4th step till it eat mp ^^cheers. hope it help.
 
I just starve them, throw in a piece of market prawn. if they dont take it fine. wait two more days then throw another. slowly one Pb will take and there will be some that reject and not take any. After three to four months, all will take whatever that hits the water.
 
My baby tems hide instead of comingout to eat! Great info maybe they are too young and small?
 
Good info to get the average cichla noob on the right track and thinking...but I think every Cichla is a bit different and will require less or more work depending.. I believe it is up to the owner to get to know your Cichla to be really successful at converting them.. I have raised over 38 cichla many different species and most from only an inch long. I have been able to pellet train everyone of them, however I had to do this using many different ways depending on the fish.. First off some cichla will take pellets right away, over a dozen of mine did on their own before hitting the three inch mark. Maybe the key to that for me was, I at least introduced it to them at every nightly feeding time weather they ate it or not, in where I'd toss in a few small live silver sides in with a few floating cichla sticks. I have always Kept bottom feeders like catfish to clean up the uneaten food. I would never over feed, key is to limit the food at first…You want the bass to feel like they need to eat quick to get their fill before all the food is already eaten by others. Competition for food is the key here, in other words if you have 6 cichla growing out in the same tank, throw 4 feeders in but remember to add floating sticks or pellets.. There will be two disappointed bass, right… Well they have the option to eat the sticks if they’re really hungry, right… Eventually the bass will learn to smack anything hitting the surface of the water in fear they won’t get any… This is where the stubborn cichla that hasn’t begun to eat pellets or sticks will begin to at least “mouth the pellets” meaning they’ll hit it in hopes it’s a feeder but will spit it out once they find out otherwise.. Don’t get discouraged either if some refuse the pellets/ sticks just yet either.. Before I go on I want to say that with these smaller cichla (1”-3”) I would feed frozen blood worms warmed in a glass of hot water in the mornings and because of work I could only feed again at night, this is where I use this strategy I’m talking about right now. For the record you never want to starve a small cichla tying to “pellet train” that’s a good way to kill your fish… So moving forward, after roughly a week or two of doing the tossing in a few live with a few pellets/sticks you’ll want to do away with all live completely! Now you move on to cutting the live you were using in half.. So if you fed gold fish, use gold fish and just buy them live, keep them in a five gallon bucket with a sponge filter only taking what your feeding that night, then cut them in half and feed with pellets, same goes for rosés or sliver sides etc... They will eat the cut feeders as long as there the same feeders you were using and their freshly cut in half. Continue this for a week than introduce something alongside the usual cut feeders, like whole frozen krill. Again like the frozen blood worms, warm the frozen krill in a glass of hot water before feeding it. How I do this next step is if I normally cut and feed 6 feeders I’ll reduce that to say 3, then I’ll take my warmed krill from the glass of hot water and cut it in half. Then I’ll mix up the krill and freshly cut feeders in a glass with some pellets/sticks, sometimes adding vid chem and serve… The bass will hammer it as soon as it hits the surface but may spit the krill/pellets out still. Don’t get discouraged and continue this feeding until you noticed your bass are eating pieces of the krill, even if it’s just one or two of them. Once you notice a few of your bass are eating the krill, completely cut out the cut feeders all together and move full force into frozen… Continue the Krill but begin to add cut pieces of raw or cooked market shrimp and bite size pieces of tilapia… Now you can say you have successfully broken your cichla off live and are now on cut baits.. From here I’ll move into “all top water foods” to begin this stage of pellet training….The reason I do this is because my favorite food to feed my fish is Hikari Tropical Jumbo Carnisticks, using Azoo 9 in 1 sticks as a filler.. they both float… So to begin I’ll mix up a batch of Carnisticks, Azoo sticks with freeze dried Krill (I use a lot of freeze dried krill 60% sticks 40% dried krill)… Since my lil cichla are already use to krill by now they will recognize the freeze dried krill automatically and hit it right away. It may take a lil time before they begin to fully eat it though because it now has a different texture, I will say this though…they surly will end up eating it.. At first you’ll notice the bass only picking out the dried krill and only mouthing the sticks.. But that brings us back to the Competition for food again… Remember not to over feed only feeding just enough… Competition for food and the fact that all of this food floats will make for a feeding frenzy eventually…and because the food is all around the same size the bass will begin to just take mouthfuls of the floating food not caring what’s krill and what’s sticks, just so long their getting some before it runs out… Buy the time your batch of dried kill / Carnisticks is gone your bass will except %100 floating sticks… End result your cichla are now “pellet trained”… From here you could try adding sinking pellets like massivor etc.. if you wished..

This method work best for me over all for most of my grow outs but there were a few exceptions I’d have to handle separately using different methods. like I said all cichla are different and you have to be able to read them.. If you find yourself having problems converting them, give Monsters method a try here!
 
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Good info. I had a flathead I was trying to wean off live feeders. My method is as follows.
1- I slowly cut back on the amount of live feeders and get him more hungry.
2- Then started introducing frozen feeders, usually after 2 days of no eating. Would usually take the first one then refuse anything but live. So long as he ate, I was happy.
3- I then started with worms, as It was a break in the usual feeder taste. He went crazy with them.
4- Started feeding shrimp soaked in worm juice. Worked after 3 days of no eating.
5- Little by little got him on just regular frozen shrimp.
6-Now he is on shrimp and cut talapia, but I wasnt sure this was a balanced diet.

Now Im working on getting him on Massivore. He really is not interested in the pellet at all. Tonight I hid one in a piece of talapia, and he ate it. My plan is to slowly use a smaller and smaller piece of talapia until he is on pellets alone.

On another note, another flathead I had for a while ate shrimp the first day, and he is the same size!!:shakehead
 
I'm finding the best way to break cichla eating habits are to trick them. One method that is working at the moment is defrost blood worm and mix with broken pieces of pellets and crushed pellets then refrozen. I refreeze in pill packets like paracetamol so they are in small portions. These are easily popped out. I started of with a little crushed pellet and added more every time I done it. Now they're crammed and taking them all. I think it'll only be a matter of time till they are hitting pellets.