Does “backflipping” hurt fish?

[jjohnwm]

I don't know squat about long-line tuna, but...how does that relate to our sport-angling discussion?

How many fish did anglers catch last year, worldwide? What percentage of those were mega-Marlin or other high-speed superfish? Certainly, no more than a tiny, tiny fraction of one percent.

What percentage of angled fish were pulled up onto piers high in the air? Way more than the Marlin example, but still a very small percentage of the overall angling take.

Compared to angling...how many fish were electroshocked to death last year? Might as well include dynamite here, but...still, a relatively tiny drop in the bucket.

That's what I meant by the term "extreme". My lifetime-best Brook Trout was taken many years ago; I caught it flopping on the lawn up at the cottage, after a beaver dam up the road burst and flooded our cottage lot. Just another statistically-insignificant example; an extreme.

And, more to the point: individual opinions were solicited. I don't really care how anyone else does it; that does not affect my own personal opinions.

 

[Backfromthedead]

I don't know squat about long-line tuna, but...how does that relate to our sport-angling discussion?

How many fish did anglers catch last year, worldwide? What percentage of those were mega-Marlin or other high-speed superfish? Certainly, no more than a tiny, tiny fraction of one percent.

What percentage of angled fish were pulled up onto piers high in the air? Way more than the Marlin example, but still a very small percentage of the overall angling take.

Compared to angling...how many fish were electroshocked to death last year? Might as well include dynamite here, but...still, a relatively tiny drop in the bucket.

That's what I meant by the term "extreme". My lifetime-best Brook Trout was taken many years ago; I caught it flopping on the lawn up at the cottage, after a beaver dam up the road burst and flooded our cottage lot. Just another statistically-insignificant example; an extreme.

And, more to the point: individual opinions were solicited. I don't really care how anyone else does it; that does not affect my own personal opinions.

Whether its from bridges, spillways, dams, inlets, high steep riverbanks or rocky outcroppings, boats with high gunwales...i would say half of all angling is done from positions where there are obstructions to not simply dropping the fish back in the water. To suggest that nearly everyone should be doing what amounts to fish cpr when they release a catch is asinine, much more so retrieving the hook while the fish is submerged. I wouldnt say your trout example is at all unusual. Fish flop almost 100% of the time when they leave the water.

I would counter your calling my examples extreme by calling the oppositions exactly the same. As in how many sunnys tossed actually sustained any more injury than that caused by the hook and angling. Moot point since theres no data collated either way, but like i said i "opine" the value would be "statistically insignificant" as you say.

Im done with this, you're welcome to the last word on it.

 

[Joshuakahan]

Whether its from bridges, spillways, dams, inlets, high steep riverbanks or rocky outcroppings, boats with high gunwales...i would say half of all angling is done from positions where there are obstructions to not simply dropping the fish back in the water. To suggest that nearly everyone should be doing what amounts to fish cpr when they release a catch is asinine, much more so retrieving the hook while the fish is submerged. I wouldnt say your trout example is at all unusual. Fish flop almost 100% of the time when they leave the water.

I would counter your calling my examples extreme by calling the oppositions exactly the same. As in how many sunnys tossed actually sustained any more injury than that caused by the hook and angling. Moot point since theres no data collated either way, but like i said i "opine" the value would be "statistically insignificant" as you say.

Im done with this, you're welcome to the last word on it.

I don’t like to speak for people, usually, but I’m guessing he means just release the fish after you catch it without screwing around with it or putting it through any unnecessary stress.

 

[jjohnwm]

Sorry if this looked like an argument, Backfromthedead , that wasn't my intention or interpretation. I hesitate to even post because I don't need or want "the last word". Can't we just agree to disagree?

No judgments; again, just personal opinions, and ours differ.

 

[esoxlucius]

I'd like to think that hobbyists who also go fishing have a far greater respect for their quarry, and respect the fish, far more than an angler who doesn't keep fish as pets. They don't have the same affinity with fish if you like.

Does that mean I'd sort of expect an angler to forcibly chuck fish back, and an hobbyist angler to place the fish back gently, whenever possible? Possibly, who knows, I'd like to think so though. Everyone's different.

I know which method I'd opt for, everytime.

 

[Joshuakahan]

I'd like to think that hobbyists who also go fishing have a far greater respect for their quarry, and respect the fish, far more than an angler who doesn't keep fish as pets. They don't have the same affinity with fish if you like.

Does that mean I'd sort of expect an angler to forcibly chuck fish back, and an hobbyist angler to place the fish back gently, whenever possible? Possibly, who knows, I'd like to think so though. Everyone's different.

I know which method I'd opt for, everytime.

My take is that I don’t expect people gently caress the fish and give it a full spa treatment before releasing it, but I also don’t expect people to put it through an entire series of X-game events either. Just release it normally. I don’t think that’s too much to ask

 

[Backfromthedead]

Sorry if this looked like an argument, Backfromthedead , that wasn't my intention or interpretation. I hesitate to even post because I don't need or want "the last word". Can't we just agree to disagree?

No judgments; again, just personal opinions, and ours differ.

Fair enough, and youre completely right my friend, im not offended in the least and had been drifting into left field away from the topic. I just found dancing around the same eventual conclusion tedious. I wasnt trying to do an angry "mic drop" or whatever it is the kids are doin these days. I'll see you next time something provocative pops up lol.

 

[Backfromthedead]

I don’t like to speak for people, usually, but I’m guessing he means just release the fish after you catch it without screwing around with it or putting it through any unnecessary stress.

Yes, and 99/100 times ive released a fish ive done exactly that, returned it to the water whence it came quickly and efficiently. Im also pretty careful about removing hooks and like to think even the majority of my throat-hooked releases lived to see many more days.

I was merely saying i could relate to the current trend or whatever this "backflipping" thing is. In our case it was simply a boys will be boys type of gag and i dont think we were harming the fish much. I mean if only y'all had witnessed the nerve of those sunnies...

And here i am, back at it again. Gah.

 

[jjohnwm]

... I'll see you next time something provocative pops up lol.

I dunno...doesn't' sound like something I would get involved in...

 

[esoxlucius]

Haha! Are you saying you want to come fishing w/ me, esox?

Well, after your "masturbatory" comments, the idea of "coming fishing with you" takes on a whole different meaning, and an extremely disturbing one at that...yikes!

So I think I'll politely decline, lol.

I'm going to need counselling after this thread!