Filamentosum vs. Caprapretum

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Thanks to Necrocranis and thebiggerthebetter for this informative thread split for my collection.

I am too awaiting the information from Lundberg and may he shine some light on this topic :)
 
i'm very interested in the answer dr. lundberg comes back with as this is a serious issue more so than "perruno vs marmoratus" in that one species get considerably larger


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two beauties! How big will the brach grow?
 

hmmm, I read Jools response. My question is who is the member, and where are the pics of both fish for comparison. This is a very low number of fish for comparison using just one of each species. I hope that after the holidays Dr. Lundberg is able to answer back. Sometimes as you can imagine it can take him months. Leading the ACSI is serious work along with his obligations at the university, two households, ect. I still haven't done too much research myself. Let me see what I can find.
 
lol, now I hope Dr. Lundberg gets back to me as he is the one to split this species back in 2004.

This is what the abstract from his paper titled:

Brachyplatystoma capapretum: a New Species of Goliath Catfish from the Amazon Basin, with a Reclassification of Allied Catfishes (Siluriformes: Pimelodidae)

John G. Lundberg and Alberto Akama



Abstract
Brachyplatystoma capapretum n. sp., a pimelodid catfish from the Amazon River, is described and diagnosed by its fine, densely spaced outer jaw teeth and relatively few rows of straight, depressible inner teeth; juveniles with large dark blotches on and above lateral line; adults with exceptionally dark pigmentation dorsally, abruptly countershaded near lateral line; broad, shallowly forked caudal fin. The systematic position of the new species was investigated with a maximum parsimony phylogenetic analysis of morphological characters. The resulting cladograms identify a nested set of unambiguous characters supporting the following monophyletic groups and taxonomic recommendations. Brachyplatystomatini new tribe is established for Brachyplatystoma and Platynematichthys and supported by two synapormorphies: two-chambered gas bladder connected by paired lateral tubes; cleithrum with blade-like ventral crest between pectoral spine articulation and posterior process of cleithrum. The monotypic genera Goslinia and Merodontotus are placed in synonymy with Brachyplatystoma characterized here by two synapomorphies: suspensorium greatly expanded mediodorsally, forming a massive plate approaching parasphenoid; juveniles with greatly elongated caudal-fin filaments developed from single outermost, unbranched principal rays. Bleeker's genus group name Malacobagrus is employed as a subgenus within Brachyplatystoma to include B. filamentosum, B. capapretum, and B. rousseauxii. Monophyly of Malacobagrus is supported by five synapomorphies: adults developing extensive reticulated system of lateralis tubules on body; Weberian complex with thick, ventral bony platform at gas bladder attachment; subquadrangular shape of opercle; pectoral spine with sulcus along anterior edge; small, non-sutured endopterygoid. Two unique synapomorphies place B. capapretum and B. filamentosum together as sister species: juveniles with spots on and above lateral line; caudal peduncle subcircular in cross-section.

Not sure this abstract really helps any unless you plan on dissection to determine species. It does show that filamentosum and capapretum are sister species. Also they have their own subgenus with rousseauxii
 
very interesting info but I agree uterly useless for the Id of live juvies I personally would like to see this thread become a sticky as it is (or soon will be) essential in the differentiating the two species as juvies


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very interesting info but I agree uterly useless for the Id of live juvies I personally would like to see this thread become a sticky as it is (or soon will be) essential in the differentiating the two species as juvies


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People have said this for several of our discussion threads, but I do not feel that I should sticky every discussion thread as you would have to scroll down through 100 stickies to get to the current threads. These fish will be included in the new monster catfish sticky I am working on. As well as perruno and L. marmoratus. I am considering making the hybrid discussion thread a sticky since it is outside the realm of our normal species. I'm still gathering info for the new monster catfish sticky. I want to make sure it is really in depth and provides good information to our members. :) I think as hobbyists our main concern is to ID juvies. There needs to be a way to ID both juvies and sub adults so that we can know which species we are getting our hands on. I'd love to see comparison pics from the member jools speaks of. There is variance even within a species so I hesitate to describe two species based off of one person's experience with two fish which need to be verified. Not saying he's wrong just saying I personally don't feel comfortable with it until it's verified visually and even then I would probably not feel comfortable until dozens more are show to have the same differences.
 
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What do you guys think of this?
 
what an awesome looking fish!!!!! I think we've found the first brachyplastoma hybrid platyneum x filamentosum/capapretum? This can't be a color morph (like the flash zebra) can it? I don't think there are any physical differences aside from the obvious one at least that I can see


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