when I read your note about short nose gar again I already think these fish are a lot stouter than normal short nose that I see, but the broad snout make me think of fat short nose.it's a tougher than usual call, but i would say Florida gars...the pelvic fins (and caudal peduncle) aren't the typical length of SNG's and the body is much stouter even with the somewhat odd pattern...pattern seems close to that of older captive FLGs though.--
--solomon