General Stingray Price List

[sbuse]

Not all bd get thousand island the ones that do look top grade the ounces that don't look average

You see lots of people buying stunning looking Asian aros and bd for high $$$$ in the UK only to sell them one year down the line as they didn't reach there expectations


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More proof to why they should be cheaper. It isn't a "you get what you pay for" market as many proclaim. Rays pattern change as they grow. Spots come and go due to substrate, diet, water quality, water clarity and so many other variables. Yeah there is so much resistance to the thought of attempting to bring the prices down.

I still say a worth while thread would be pup to adult high end and low end black rays. Complete with purchase prices.

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[T1KARMANN]

More proof to why they should be cheaper. It isn't a "you get what you pay for" market as many proclaim. Rays pattern change as they grow. Spots come and go due to substrate, diet, water quality, water clarity and so many other variables. Yeah there is so much resistance to the thought of attempting to bring the prices down.

I still say a worth while thread would be pup to adult high end and low end black rays. Complete with purchase prices.

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as most hybrids have only been around a few years this will be hard to do as many haven't reached 24" disk yet

You will also find most people in Asia never talk about price on a open forum


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[sbuse]

as most hybrids have only been around a few years this will be hard to do as many haven't reached 24" disk yet

You will also find most people in Asia never talk about price on a open forum


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For this one I ment black diamonds. They have been around a while and it would be nice to see how small pups that people dish out so much for actually turn out as adults. A before and after. It would be hard to do with hybrids now.

They don't talk hybrid prices or any prices really because they change them so much. The price will change depending on your location among other things.

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[DB junkie]

Yeah there is so much resistance to the thought of attempting to bring the prices down.

There's resistance cause of how many people have tried to do it and failed.

Want less resistance? Pics are worth a thousand words...... Start showing people how you plan on going about this - the tanks, ponds, pumps, facility.....

Most of the people here believe actions, not words.

The ONLY way you will be able to bring prices down is to offer higher quality rays for less money. IF money is no object to people they want the nicest they can find, not the cheapest they can find.

Most people that thoroughly research rays acknowledge the expense involved in keeping them. The last thing they're worried about is saving a few hundred bucks on a ray at purchase time. They'd rather buy the nicest ray they can find regardless of price cause the expensive part isn't the ray, it's the feeding and housing the rest of its life.

Most keepers here will agree quality is more important then price, so when we look at the whole picture, the resistance is there cause we know that in order to "make rays cheaper" better quality must be offered for less money. So you need to obtain quality, which doesn't belong in the same conversation as "making cheaper". Vicious circle........

I tried to do exactly what you're talking about with Marbles. I wanted to make them available for cheaper. I failed miserably cause I can't even get them to breed on a regular basis and I've had rays in my tanks for like 6 years now. I had a head on collision with reality, and that reality for me was it doesn't work out like it should on paper, cause with living animals you just can't predict what's going to happen, you can only hope.... So rather then trying to reinvent, change or alter the market, now I just enjoy them for what they are and can only hope to produce as many generations as I can of quality Marbles someday to trade and enjoy with other Marble enthusiasts....

I tried to run before I could walk. Should have realized it may take years to learn how to make rays happy enough to be graced with healthy pups. Now I have a bunch of rays and still don't know how to make them happy. I tried to be a breeder before I was really even a hobbyist. Who suffers more? The rays or the owner? Either way it's not a beneficial process.

Not trying to start anything, just trying to explain in a helpful way......

 

[sbuse]

There's resistance cause of how many people have tried to do it and failed.

Want less resistance? Pics are worth a thousand words...... Start showing people how you plan on going about this - the tanks, ponds, pumps, facility.....

Most of the people here believe actions, not words.

The ONLY way you will be able to bring prices down is to offer higher quality rays for less money. IF money is no object to people they want the nicest they can find, not the cheapest they can find.

Most people that thoroughly research rays acknowledge the expense involved in keeping them. The last thing they're worried about is saving a few hundred bucks on a ray at purchase time. They'd rather buy the nicest ray they can find regardless of price cause the expensive part isn't the ray, it's the feeding and housing the rest of its life.

Most keepers here will agree quality is more important then price, so when we look at the whole picture, the resistance is there cause we know that in order to "make rays cheaper" better quality must be offered for less money. So you need to obtain quality, which doesn't belong in the same conversation as "making cheaper". Vicious circle........

I tried to do exactly what you're talking about with Marbles. I wanted to make them available for cheaper. I failed miserably cause I can't even get them to breed on a regular basis and I've had rays in my tanks for like 6 years now. I had a head on collision with reality, and that reality for me was it doesn't work out like it should on paper, cause with living animals you just can't predict what's going to happen, you can only hope.... So rather then trying to reinvent, change or alter the market, now I just enjoy them for what they are and can only hope to produce as many generations as I can of quality Marbles someday to trade and enjoy with other Marble enthusiasts....

I tried to run before I could walk. Should have realized it may take years to learn how to make rays happy enough to be graced with healthy pups. Now I have a bunch of rays and still don't know how to make them happy. I tried to be a breeder before I was really even a hobbyist. Who suffers more? The rays or the owner? Either way it's not a beneficial process.

Not trying to start anything, just trying to explain in a helpful way......

Did you try to change the male or females around? I know of a 23" male that never has any interest in breeding but in the same system a 16" or so male Leo has killed several rays in his attempts to breed. If you find a proven male forsale your attempts may be more fruitful. If you stick with the same fish and wait for something to happen it may never. I can see how you say it is impossible or to expect problems.

With the market males are not hard to find from any species and are cheaper. Once you have the females you can rotate out males until you get results.

I know I am building a lot of plans around this one male and my imported male I'll be getting. If they don't produce I'll be trying to find a male that will.

As soon as I have them I'll be posting about them. The only thing I have right now is a window to figure out how to remove without damaging it. Once I get that figured out or a go with a tank 20" tall I can get a better deal running sooner. I guess you will just have to trust that I am working on something. I don't want to get a 6'x3' just yet because I am trying to figure out how to make an 8x4 work. I could easily make a pond no problem. I just like the sideview of a window. If I do a plywood build I would want it bigger then I can have right now.

Without removing the center part of the window I could only go 144" long by 23" high and 42" wide. I am gibing that a lot of thought. I am thinking if I should do a plywood build or get it built by a glass company or acrylic company. I know of an acrylic company close by. I am also debating on building it myself and just getting the sheets to cut costs.

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[T1KARMANN]

I much rather pay a lower price for something with promise than a over priced pup that may look rubbish as a adult

The same can be said about adults just because they look average doesn't meant the pups won't be stunning and the same applies the other way around stunning rays may kick out rubbish pups

I'm not after the best looking rays on the planet as long as they are black and white and healthy who cares

I spent thousands of $$$$$ on Asian aros looking for the perfect fish 22 aros later and 20 years of keeping them I have found its better to stick with one that's compatible with you other stock

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[DB junkie]

Did you try to change the male or females around? I know of a 23" male that never has any interest in breeding but in the same system a 16" or so male Leo has killed several rays in his attempts to breed. If you find a proven male forsale your attempts may be more fruitful. If you stick with the same fish and wait for something to happen it may never. I can see how you say it is impossible or to expect problems.

I was just trying to offer you advice in regards to "the resistance"

What's going on in my basement is irrelevant. I'm pretty modest about my fishkeeping. I have plenty of proof swimming around that I may not be as unsuccessful as led on, like my first cb female born 4+ years ago that still continues to be one of the prettiest Marbles I have. I only have 2 females showing movement right now. There should be more, so I'm unsuccessful. Many would word things differently. I'm no breeder. I'm no expert. I'm just a frustrated hobbyist that has built a few filters and had rays a few years, but I have acknowledged that my aquariums are just glass boxes I fill with money, and no matter how much I put in, I'll never get it back out. I'm OK with this, as this is a hobby I enjoy. 10 years ago I enjoyed fixing cars, now as a job it's not fun, heck it's frustrating. Not sure I'd want to feel the same about keeping fish.

I hope all goes well.... I really enjoyed being able to drive rays home from Shawn, but obviously not all people are cut out for business in this hobby. My point was in order to sell to hobbyists like me focus should be put on the quality of ray and service being offered, not the cost. Cause if you're catering to people that want cheap rays I think you're catering to the wrong crowd, the hobbyists are the ones that will be here today, next week, next year, and will find a way to have rays despite the economy, yet jumping on a forum with a bunch of hobbyists saying you're going to do what should have been done a long time ago and offer cheap rays probably doesn't sit real well with those hobbyists you expect to sell rays to.

That's it for ramblings from this guy...... Like I said, just trying to help, I'd love to see another place to get rays within driving distance.......

 

[Pazzoman]

This thread made me LOL! I got caught up in other sections of this forum..

Hmm so after the very long read....
I have found that...thiers no such thing of a free sting ray lmao.
I see that lot of back and forth on CB and Wildcaught...blood lines...hybrids

Also didnt realize of the different countries here on the forums!

Anybody has any ideas on estimated prices tho? Lmao...guess these are one of my threads that get off topic...however defintly worth the read!!! Thanks for all who participated!!

Now how much is a CB retic usually LOL!!!


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[MonsterMinis]

No clue.. never seen one for sale! lol But that being said If I had pups I'de be willing to sit on them for awhile to make sure they went to good homes vs the top $$$ ( because they simply are a cheap ray, but as pointed out lol rays aren't expensive to buy... but to keep I've spent easily 10x the fishes initial cost)... idk anyone whos breeding them in any quantity in the US. imo I would say a fair price as wc here are 75$ or less... under 100$ would be fair imo and what I personally would pay for a healthy CB retic. Mainly because they come in worse shape then other wc rays generally, would be acclimated to captivity, and chances of disease ect would be far less.

that being said I would not be buying m/f from the same litter but either multiple females or a nice looking male to mix w/ other CB or WC ... as a single "pet" i'de pick CB over WC because of the survival % ect that go along with it

 

[Pazzoman]

No clue.. never seen one for sale! lol But that being said If I had pups I'de be willing to sit on them for awhile to make sure they went to good homes vs the top $$$ ( because they simply are a cheap ray, but as pointed out lol rays aren't expensive to buy... but to keep I've spent easily 10x the fishes initial cost)... idk anyone whos breeding them in any quantity in the US. imo I would say a fair price as wc here are 75$ or less... under 100$ would be fair imo and what I personally would pay for a healthy CB retic. Mainly because they come in worse shape then other wc rays generally, would be acclimated to captivity, and chances of disease ect would be far less.

that being said I would not be buying m/f from the same litter but either multiple females or a nice looking male to mix w/ other CB or WC ... as a single "pet" i'de pick CB over WC because of the survival % ect that go along with it

Thanks for your input, thiers an exotic fish store by me that sells teacup (pretty sure retics) for $40...however i know thier wild caught and honestly im willing to spend 3 - 4 times that much for a well started captive bred one... My tank was initially aimed at 300 gallon 6x3 but might be brought down to a 225 gallon6x30 inch or a 180 gallon 6x2... And i of coarse qould really want a motoro as i had them b4 and know thier are tons CB and are very hardy. I know a retic woudnt last forever in the 180 but defintly longer then the motoro sting ray.


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