Goonch Death Discussion Thread
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1 of mine used to shed after every wc for a month then 1 day stopped. None of my others have ever shed though.
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I suspect that the shedding might be related to hard water. When I had Dottie in the blackwater setup I was running during the first half of 2013, there was no shedding. It only started once I started running the normal, liquid rock Missouri water in the tank again. FWIW, the shedding I experienced did not always correspond to water changes.
As to the issue of what water temps these guys need, it varies from species to specie. Rutilus and lica are unquestionably tropical. Yarrelli- the lowland giant- lives in tropical temps at least part of the year. They're from Bangladesh, southern India and Thailand. I'll admit that I'm not overly sure what the range of temps in the northern part of their range is, but I suspect that toward the southern end of their range that they live in tropical waters. B. bagarius- the highland giant- is definitely a temperate to cold water fish. I've not researched B. suchus in any way shape or form yet. The unnamed dwarves are sympatric with rutilus so one can assume that they have similar needs.
That makes sense to me with my first 1, but my 2nd HLG and rutilus never shed ever. Same exact water and everything and the first HLG eventually stopped shedding after a month
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The migration theory is the most far fetched rediculous theory I have ever heard lol. First off all these fish are juveniles- and juvine fish don't migrate- mature fish migrate for breeding. Secondly what would make a fish die if it couldn't migrate? Depression lol!
It comes down to water and or parasites. Many of these fish are imported with internal parasites that you're not going to see.Combined with a stressful environment the parasite takes over and eventually kill the fish. No one bothers to spend the money for autopsy on a fish but I bet a high percentage of these fish are killed by parasites. The other is water. I bet if you imported the same water the fish was caught in and changed it once a week the fish would be fine. You can't simulate the nutrient rich clean water these fish come from. Our crappy water here with chemicals and basically no nutrients is a death wish for these and many other fast moving water fishes. Your best bet is to get a huge 750 gallon or bigger tank with a single fish and do water changes with aged water. That's my .02
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It comes down to water and or parasites. Many of these fish are imported with internal parasites that you're not going to see.Combined with a stressful environment the parasite takes over and eventually kill the fish. No one bothers to spend the money for autopsy on a fish but I bet a high percentage of these fish are killed by parasites. The other is water. I bet if you imported the same water the fish was caught in and changed it once a week the fish would be fine. You can't simulate the nutrient rich clean water these fish come from. Our crappy water here with chemicals and basically no nutrients is a death wish for these and many other fast moving water fishes. Your best bet is to get a huge 750 gallon or bigger tank with a single fish and do water changes with aged water. That's my .02
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First, it was a hypothesis. An idea. Could all of these deaths be a coincidence? Possibly. Could there actually be something related? Who knows. Without proof one way or the other it is no more and no less plausible than anything else.
Second, not all of the fish who does were juvenile. Several were sub adult or adult.
Third, other than just a major and unfortunate coincidence, do you have a better idea that could explain what caused the admitted death of a large number of these guys in the hobby all at nearly the same time with similar symptoms?
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I still think we need to break the problem down to a species level.
Its very unlikely that if all the fish that are dying are different species spread out over such a range of water parameters that they all died at the same time because of the need to migrate.
That being said, Im not saying the migration theory isnt legitimate, its just that it would also be a huge coincidence.
Its very unlikely that if all the fish that are dying are different species spread out over such a range of water parameters that they all died at the same time because of the need to migrate.
That being said, Im not saying the migration theory isnt legitimate, its just that it would also be a huge coincidence.
Majority of death Goonch, if not all, died under 12" or less than 2 yearsold, so yes, they're all Juvie. Goonch is new to fish keeping hobby, so most if not all keepers are still learning about the specie, and that's the cause of death. "Similar symptoms" is an objective phrase. "You only see what your eyes want to see!" There's no need to speculate to make more confusion. Just try again, and hope for better luck next time
Also, do you guys have any idea how cool river water temp in Asia? It wouldn't be as warm as mentioned by some of you
