HOLY GRAIL!!

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The video has been removed, looks like a awesome fish, and the debacle over lawful possession of a asian arrow is interesting although other arrows are more remarkable then the asian and going through all the effort to own one just don't seem worth it.
 
Oddball said:
If it was relatively simple, we'd have seen a bounty of threads from members showing off their shiny new permits. The only 'hobbyist' permit I've heard of in the last decade was to someone who turned it down. A regular writer for TFH magazine wrote an article back in 2007 about his dealings with asian aros. He was asked to hold 5 asian aros for a federal court smuggling case. He kept them for almost 2 years with bench directions to not allow the aros to breed while in holding. After the case was finished, the federal judge offered him permission to keep the aros provided he did not sell them, give them away, or allow them to breed. He would also have to follow the requirements of an institutional permit. He turned down the offer due to the expenses involved and zero prospects of any financial return from keeping the aros.
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Wow, I would of kept them!
 
Yeah I remember that article and I think I saved the magazine issue...I even mentioned it here in a past aro discussion....couldn't believe the guy declined the offer to keep them.
 
So I'm just curious I've seen restaurants with Asian aros and a few local fish stores I figured the restaurants are freaking the law but what about the lfs they have signs saying not for sale

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thechief said:
So I'm just curious I've seen restaurants with Asian aros and a few local fish stores I figured the restaurants are freaking the law but what about the lfs they have signs saying not for sale

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Asian aros are illegal to possess in the U.S.A. without an institutional permit. Restaurants and lfs are not institutions. If they have asian aros (and not jardini or leichardti) they are illegally possessing a federally-banned species.
 
Oddball said:
There are no hobbyist permits for either asian aros or SHs. Asian aros are federally banned because their inclusion in CITES also makes them fall under the US umbrella of the Endangered Species Act and the Lacey Act. SHs are federally banned due to being a prolific invasive species listed as detrimental to native species and biotopes.
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QUESTION: Are CITES listed tortoises like my greek or a hermans also banned because of this?
 
Oddball said:
Asian aros are illegal to possess in the U.S.A. without an institutional permit. Restaurants and lfs are not institutions. If they have asian aros (and not jardini or leichardti) they are illegally possessing a federally-banned species.
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Okay even if it was before the ban a guy said he has had his for 30 years and its a golden cross back and the ones is the other places aren't that old and I know a lfs that sells babies and juvies they don't allow pictures and kick you out if you are questioning it

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