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Oddball said:
There are no hobbyist permits for either asian aros or SHs. Asian aros are federally banned because their inclusion in CITES also makes them fall under the US umbrella of the Endangered Species Act and the Lacey Act. SHs are federally banned due to being a prolific invasive species listed as detrimental to native species and biotopes.
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+1 This is why. It's not like its one law banning them - its an entire network of laws. Starts with cities and works its way down. In order to get them pulled you would have to tackle Cities to get them off their list and work it from there. It would take a lot of money and research.

As for the reason the farms do not breed and contribute to the wild stocks is simple, they make a ton of money selling to the hobby. Many farms did start out to breed for the purpose of repopulating the species, then they realized they could make a lot of money selling them off instead. This does however help in keeping people from taking the wild stock.

As for getting a permit - it will probably never happen. The loopholes that they did have are way gone. If I remember correctly its probably been something like 25 years since the last permit for an Asian aro was approved.

It is also not recommended you keep illegal species - and this site doesn't encourage it either.
Fish and Game check internet sites regularly - including this one. Many people get busted. In your house or not - its not like they can't find you to find out. Its not a small offense either, it comes with a hefty price tag/jail time.
 
Dang! Snakeheads too..?? these beasts are sold for $5 for a footer in my local LFS..phheewww
 
As Ash pointed out, aro farms do not help to repopulate wild stock. The reason is also a bureaucratic nightmare. Simple reason being, there are no local government agencies (in aro territories) that are willing to undertake the expense of returning aros to the wild. The ranges are widespread and alot of areas are often frequented by poachers. It wouldn't be like releasing rescued turtles back to the wild among news crews and fanfare. The agents trying to return expensive aros to the wild would have to travel hundreds of miles with an armed escort while trying to keep the aros in their care alive during days of travel.
 
Luxury taxing. If we convince the fws. or the gov they can make a butt load off of taxing for ownership they'll cut loose. Greed that works every time.
 
Oddball said:
The only permit applications that may be considered are those with a research plan and grant from an accredited institution. The plan must describe the nature of the research and theories of the possible findings at the outcome of the research. The research facility (also must be accredited) must be inspected for potential risks of escape of the study animal (and/or it's reproductive components (eggs/milt)). The facility will also be inspected to ensure it meets the minimum husbandry requirements of the animal(s). The husbandry includes the vessel the animal is to be maintained in, filtration, water treatment, test equipment, food storage and prep, documentation requirements, and prep/storage of test/progeny losses. That's alot of investment in a setup for anything that hasn't been approved of yet. The inspections are not free. The facility must agree to periodic and surprise inspections (also not free) during the year of the permit period. Permits are not free and may ony be renewed with agency approval after review of the research material. If the permit is not renewed, agency officers will present themselves to seize and dispose of the research animal(s).

There's quite a bit more but, this is the short list to give you an idea of the difficulty in obtaining a permit for a federally banned species.
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This local LFS gave me the idea that getting a permit was relatively simple and my mom wanted me to look into it anyway before she tried, thanks for the info though we won't even bother now. What about Pirahna? The local LFS who told me about the permit would be wrong then, it wasn't the manager I talked to just some rep. I don't intend on keeping anything illegal, but my mom wants something especially impressive and a species requiring a permit is pretty impressive. If its a complete no go on for specific display purposes I'll show her some regular fish shell like

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Question:

If someone were to be successful breeding these illegal arowana's in America, would they be able to legally sell them since they aren't imported?

What about the government setting up a farm for them in Florida?
 
cmsbthebest said:
Question:

If someone were to be successful breeding these illegal arowana's in America, would they be able to legally sell them since they aren't imported?

What about the government setting up a farm for them in Florida?
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You wouldn't be able to legally acquire them to breed them or set up a farm. Since the ones you bred to get the babies weren't legally acquired, the babies would be illegal to possess and/or sell as well. There's no way to legally start such an operation.
 
Chicxulub said:
You wouldn't be able to legally acquire them to breed them or set up a farm. Since the ones you bred to get the babies weren't legally acquired, the babies would be illegal to possess and/or sell as well. There's no way to legally start such an operation.
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yeah that all makes sense.
 
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