I Got My Freshwater Bumble Bee Grouper!!!

[ultimatejay]

i would love to know the size of the largest bumble bee in freshwater ???

here is a pic of the one i had in fw

What happened to your bb grouper?

 

[Opiate]

cant see the pics but i can imagine that it looks nuts!!

 

[johnptc]

What happened to your bb grouper?

rip

 

[fugupuff]

yeah, but honestly how much salt is in your freshwater? You told me yourself that you had to put quite a bit of salt in the water for the one you had in your store for so long. So lets put all the BS aside. I just got one simple question for you to answer that you keep dodging. Is the bb grouper a pure freshwater species that will live in freshwater it's entire life with no salt being added? Very simple yes or no answer. And if your answer is yes then show me a picture of an adult in freshwater.

Honestly, most of the ones I sold died. I have never pushed for anyone to buy these. Ivan's grew to 18-20" by no means adult, mine was at about 16" at the store, but I haven't seen him in a while. What size would you consider as adul? I could raise the fish to 50 inches, but it would eat all my fish, I've actually wanted to slow him down a bit so he doesn't grow too fast. Have you seen an adult tarpon, adult barramundi? And what do I get if it does grow to 4 feet or more in my tank?

in 720 gallons of water, I've added 25 gallons of salt water, or half a bag of marine mix if that is what you're asking. When I do water changes, which is not frequent, I don't replenish the salt, which I've done only 2 major water changes since I've had the grouper. Its not really important whether its in water with some salt or not, I don't care, there is salt in there, what I try to achieve is to have happy fish, from my favorite freshwater collection, living with my favorite salt water tank, together.

I'm not here to defend any position or point, but just answering to your inquiries.

 

[fugupuff]

but mono's and scat's are fish that spend a majority(if not all) in a brackish environment. You can't compare those fish to a grouper that lives in the open ocean that occasionally come into an estuary to feed.

really? you've seen this with your own eyes and your own experience? I've caught monos, scats, in the ocean. I've seen groupers caught in estuaries, rivers...

 

[fugupuff]

Its not a matter of Evolution existing or not.. Its a matter of it happening in our tanks in a VERY SHORT amount of time..

10-20 years of trying to get groupers into freshwater water is a very short time period when talking about evolution. Evolution takes many years...

Also, with evolution, animals dont addapt. Living animals dont addapt to new changes. Their OFFSPRING do, Evolution is completely random. Those born with the random abilities to live better in the ever so new changing enviornment thrive, while the others die out. a single specimen wont just addapt.. its offspring are born with different abilities. If the enviornmental change is too derastic, the species will die out.

Its not a matter of a salterwater fish living in freshwater, its a matter of this species of fish changing from saltwater to freshwater.

evolution itself is constantly challenged, its a theory at best, not concrete itself.

 

[fugupuff]

hhahahah. Jess, any info here? You are usually good with this kinda stuff.


At any rate- Yes, This is quite amazing.. Im very curious as to see how these 2 fish do.

I would like to have one, a saltwater one, but even I dont have the tank space for such a giant beast.

These are not monster fish, they are epic legends of the fish world..

why do people keep alligator gars, they get too big for most tanks. oh for all you doubters, can you explain to me the osmoregulator functions of fish like gars? they can live in pure salt water, and oreochromis sp. can live in hypersaline water, but its a freshwater fish to begin with!

 

[ultimatejay]

Honestly, most of the ones I sold died. I have never pushed for anyone to buy these. Ivan's grew to 18-20" by no means adult, mine was at about 16" at the store, but I haven't seen him in a while. What size would you consider as adul? I could raise the fish to 50 inches, but it would eat all my fish, I've actually wanted to slow him down a bit so he doesn't grow too fast. Have you seen an adult tarpon, adult barramundi? And what do I get if it does grow to 4 feet or more in my tank?

in 720 gallons of water, I've added 25 gallons of salt water, or half a bag of marine mix if that is what you're asking. When I do water changes, which is not frequent, I don't replenish the salt, which I've done only 2 major water changes since I've had the grouper. Its not really important whether its in water with some salt or not, I don't care, there is salt in there, what I try to achieve is to have happy fish, from my favorite freshwater collection, living with my favorite salt water tank, together.

I'm not here to defend any position or point, but just answering to your inquiries.

Here you go again. All I asked for was a yes or no answer. You wrote two paragraphs of stuff and still no answer.

I've been in the hobby for over 20 years and in those 20 years have never seen a freshwater BB grouper. All of a sudden they pop up a couple of years ago. Oh, they found a new species of freshwater Lancelotus. It's all crap. What happened is that someone got creative and acclimated some groupers to freshwater to make a quick sell and make some money. I'll bet my house these groupers are coming from one supplier. You can acclimate many freshwater fish to saltwater, including panther groupers, etc. But will they live long healthy lives- NO. Look at all the one's that died. Common guys, is there that many gullable people out there? BB GROUPER ARE NOT A FRESHWATER SPECIES. And if there are people out there selling them as a freshwater species then they are fraugulent.

So out of all the BB groupers sold as freshwater, there is only one alive today? Common lets see all these pics of these groupers that were sold. I rest my case.

 

[ultimatejay]

why do people keep alligator gars, they get too big for most tanks. oh for all you doubters, can you explain to me the osmoregulator functions of fish like gars? they can live in pure salt water, and oreochromis sp. can live in hypersaline water, but its a freshwater fish to begin with!

Duh, they're air breathers.

 

[fugupuff]

in 720 gallons of water, I've added 25 gallons of salt water, or half a bag of marine mix if that is what you're asking. When I do water changes, which is not frequent, I don't replenish the salt, which I've done only 2 major water changes since I've had the grouper. Its not really important whether its in water with some salt or not, I don't care, there is salt in there, what I try to achieve is to have happy fish, from my favorite freshwater collection, living with my favorite salt water tank, together.

I'm not here to defend any position or point, but just answering to your inquiries.