I Got My Freshwater Bumble Bee Grouper!!!

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ultimatejay;730816; said:
Well, I have had two friends who got them. One grouper could not make it in freshwater and had to be put in pure saltwater and after that he did great. The other grouper was doing really well in freshwater and when moved to a large tank with other fish it died. I personally have seen some live in freshwater at a LFS for quite a while but the water was more brackish than freshwater. Personally, I dont' think BB groupers will live in freshwater for more than a year, max of two years before you will have to move them in pure saltwater. Theres no evidence of them being in freshwater to adult. There are many species of fish that as juvie's live in freshwater, but then move out to pure saltwater. I think this is the case with the BB grouper and until someone proves me wrong, which no one has, then that's what I believe. So if I were you I would not recommend buying this fish unless you set up a saltwater tank. Also they get as big as VW bugs. hehe

Lets hear from the people who bought these fish a year ago how they are doing and updated pics if any? Li, you started this thread. How's your BB grouper doing now?
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Hey Jarret, here is the one that your friend bought, well, now its in my tank, freshwater :) doubled in size in the past 4 months, the picture is in my thread
 
I am still having some drawbacks for this fish. Looks like its not that encouraging to get 1.

Fugupuff,
any updated pics of your BB grouper recently?
 
BlurMil;731637; said:
I am still having some drawbacks for this fish. Looks like its not that encouraging to get 1.

Fugupuff,
any updated pics of your BB grouper recently?
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Don't get it, as it gets too big for most tanks! here is a recent picture, taken a few weeks ago.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18015&page=28

As for salt water vs. freshwater. Think of this megalops cyprniodes the tarpon, lates calcarifer (barramundi) which adults are only found in the ocean, but why is that? many of the members here keep them, some live and some die, why is that?

many people have a hard time accepting a grouper in freshwater, because it goes against everything we've learned. It doesn't look like a freshwater fish.

most fish move to the ocean because food is more abundant, and there is more space to swim. they do not gradually change biologically to only accept saltwater.

And think salmons, and trouts,guppies, mollies, tilapias, can go back and forth, or stay in one type of water permanently. The world was connected by water, one body of water possibly once upon a time. the key, you have to whisper to the fish, and they have to agree.
 
fugupuff;731462; said:
Hey Jarret, here is the one that your friend bought, well, now its in my tank, freshwater :) doubled in size in the past 4 months, the picture is in my thread
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yeah, but honestly how much salt is in your freshwater? You told me yourself that you had to put quite a bit of salt in the water for the one you had in your store for so long. So lets put all the BS aside. I just got one simple question for you to answer that you keep dodging. Is the bb grouper a pure freshwater species that will live in freshwater it's entire life with no salt being added? Very simple yes or no answer. And if your answer is yes then show me a picture of an adult in freshwater.
 
ultimatejay;731957; said:
yeah, but honestly how much salt is in your freshwater? You told me yourself that you had to put quite a bit of salt in the water for the one you had in your store for so long. So lets put all the BS aside. I just got one simple question for you to answer that you keep dodging. Is the bb grouper a pure freshwater species that will live in freshwater it's entire life with no salt being added? Very simple yes or no answer. And if your answer is yes then show me a picture of an adult in freshwater.
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Honestly, most of the ones I sold died. I have never pushed for anyone to buy these. Ivan's grew to 18-20" by no means adult, mine was at about 16" at the store, but I haven't seen him in a while. What size would you consider as adul? I could raise the fish to 50 inches, but it would eat all my fish, I've actually wanted to slow him down a bit so he doesn't grow too fast. Have you seen an adult tarpon, adult barramundi? And what do I get if it does grow to 4 feet or more in my tank?

in 720 gallons of water, I've added 25 gallons of salt water, or half a bag of marine mix if that is what you're asking. When I do water changes, which is not frequent, I don't replenish the salt, which I've done only 2 major water changes since I've had the grouper. Its not really important whether its in water with some salt or not, I don't care, there is salt in there, what I try to achieve is to have happy fish, from my favorite freshwater collection, living with my favorite salt water tank, together.

I'm not here to defend any position or point, but just answering to your inquiries.
 
pbass;12523; said:
but mono's and scat's are fish that spend a majority(if not all) in a brackish environment. You can't compare those fish to a grouper that lives in the open ocean that occasionally come into an estuary to feed.
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really? you've seen this with your own eyes and your own experience? I've caught monos, scats, in the ocean. I've seen groupers caught in estuaries, rivers...
 
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