I Got My Freshwater Bumble Bee Grouper!!!

[fugupuff]

Its not a matter of Evolution existing or not.. Its a matter of it happening in our tanks in a VERY SHORT amount of time..

10-20 years of trying to get groupers into freshwater water is a very short time period when talking about evolution. Evolution takes many years...

Also, with evolution, animals dont addapt. Living animals dont addapt to new changes. Their OFFSPRING do, Evolution is completely random. Those born with the random abilities to live better in the ever so new changing enviornment thrive, while the others die out. a single specimen wont just addapt.. its offspring are born with different abilities. If the enviornmental change is too derastic, the species will die out.

Its not a matter of a salterwater fish living in freshwater, its a matter of this species of fish changing from saltwater to freshwater.

evolution itself is constantly challenged, its a theory at best, not concrete itself.

 

[fugupuff]

hhahahah. Jess, any info here? You are usually good with this kinda stuff.


At any rate- Yes, This is quite amazing.. Im very curious as to see how these 2 fish do.

I would like to have one, a saltwater one, but even I dont have the tank space for such a giant beast.

These are not monster fish, they are epic legends of the fish world..

why do people keep alligator gars, they get too big for most tanks. oh for all you doubters, can you explain to me the osmoregulator functions of fish like gars? they can live in pure salt water, and oreochromis sp. can live in hypersaline water, but its a freshwater fish to begin with!

 

[ultimatejay]

Honestly, most of the ones I sold died. I have never pushed for anyone to buy these. Ivan's grew to 18-20" by no means adult, mine was at about 16" at the store, but I haven't seen him in a while. What size would you consider as adul? I could raise the fish to 50 inches, but it would eat all my fish, I've actually wanted to slow him down a bit so he doesn't grow too fast. Have you seen an adult tarpon, adult barramundi? And what do I get if it does grow to 4 feet or more in my tank?

in 720 gallons of water, I've added 25 gallons of salt water, or half a bag of marine mix if that is what you're asking. When I do water changes, which is not frequent, I don't replenish the salt, which I've done only 2 major water changes since I've had the grouper. Its not really important whether its in water with some salt or not, I don't care, there is salt in there, what I try to achieve is to have happy fish, from my favorite freshwater collection, living with my favorite salt water tank, together.

I'm not here to defend any position or point, but just answering to your inquiries.

Here you go again. All I asked for was a yes or no answer. You wrote two paragraphs of stuff and still no answer.

I've been in the hobby for over 20 years and in those 20 years have never seen a freshwater BB grouper. All of a sudden they pop up a couple of years ago. Oh, they found a new species of freshwater Lancelotus. It's all crap. What happened is that someone got creative and acclimated some groupers to freshwater to make a quick sell and make some money. I'll bet my house these groupers are coming from one supplier. You can acclimate many freshwater fish to saltwater, including panther groupers, etc. But will they live long healthy lives- NO. Look at all the one's that died. Common guys, is there that many gullable people out there? BB GROUPER ARE NOT A FRESHWATER SPECIES. And if there are people out there selling them as a freshwater species then they are fraugulent.

So out of all the BB groupers sold as freshwater, there is only one alive today? Common lets see all these pics of these groupers that were sold. I rest my case.

 

[ultimatejay]

why do people keep alligator gars, they get too big for most tanks. oh for all you doubters, can you explain to me the osmoregulator functions of fish like gars? they can live in pure salt water, and oreochromis sp. can live in hypersaline water, but its a freshwater fish to begin with!

Duh, they're air breathers.

 

[fugupuff]

in 720 gallons of water, I've added 25 gallons of salt water, or half a bag of marine mix if that is what you're asking. When I do water changes, which is not frequent, I don't replenish the salt, which I've done only 2 major water changes since I've had the grouper. Its not really important whether its in water with some salt or not, I don't care, there is salt in there, what I try to achieve is to have happy fish, from my favorite freshwater collection, living with my favorite salt water tank, together.

I'm not here to defend any position or point, but just answering to your inquiries.

 

[fugupuff]

Duh, they're air breathers.

Genius! didn't know tilapias, salmons, mollies were air breathers... and didn't know that the labirynth breathing has much to do with salt and freshwater adaptation. so bettas can go into salt water too then?

 

[ultimatejay]

Genius! didn't know tilapias, salmons, mollies were air breathers... and didn't know that the labirynth breathing has much to do with salt and freshwater adaptation. so bettas can go into salt water too then?

I'm sure bettas could go in saltwater too if acclimated slow enough. How long it would live is another story that I dont' care about. I was refering to gars. They have a different system than other fish and can live in just about any water conditions. Besides I'm not questioning the fish you mentioned above. We are talking about one fish here- BB Groupers. Why do you change the subject? Also, this picture above is totally photo shopped- common.

Also, you still haven't answered my yes or no question. This is like the 6th time you dodged it. I'm going to ask it one more time Genious! Is the BB grouper a total freshwater species that can live in freshwater with no salt added it's entire life? I can answer it for you but I'd like for you to tell everyone else out there.

 

[Kenta]

No offence to anyone, but i think its stupid to keep a BB grouper in pure fresh its whole life. Its a SW fish

 

[fugupuff]

Jarret, I've never discredited you in any way or form, but many of your comments were aimed towards my business practices. Since you keep saying that my fish keeping experiences are just schemes, I'm going to have to defend my character.

Please read carefully, take time to digest the information before making accusations.

Here you go again. All I asked for was a yes or no answer. You wrote two paragraphs of stuff and still no answer.

I've been in the hobby for over 20 years and in those 20 years have never seen a freshwater BB grouper. All of a sudden they pop up a couple of years ago. Oh, they found a new species of freshwater Lancelotus. It's all crap. What happened is that someone got creative and acclimated some groupers to freshwater to make a quick sell and make some money. I'll bet my house these groupers are coming from one supplier. You can acclimate many freshwater fish to saltwater, including panther groupers, etc. But will they live long healthy lives- NO. Look at all the one's that died. Common guys, is there that many gullable people out there? BB GROUPER ARE NOT A FRESHWATER SPECIES. And if there are people out there selling them as a freshwater species then they are fraugulent.

So out of all the BB groupers sold as freshwater, there is only one alive today? Common lets see all these pics of these groupers that were sold. I rest my case.

 

[fugupuff]

I'm sure bettas could go in saltwater too if acclimated slow enough. How long it would live is another story that I dont' care about. I was refering to gars. They have a different system than other fish and can live in just about any water conditions. Besides I'm not questioning the fish you mentioned above. We are talking about one fish here- BB Groupers. Why do you change the subject? Also, this picture above is totally photo shopped- common.

Also, you still haven't answered my yes or no question. This is like the 6th time you dodged it. I'm going to ask it one more time Genious! Is the BB grouper a total freshwater species that can live in freshwater with no salt added it's entire life? I can answer it for you but I'd like for you to tell everyone else out there.

NO, they are not freshwater fish, and definitely should not be kept in pure freshwater all their life.