Mad Max the GATF and Chicxulub's other ATF

Chicxulub

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I just checked out some of your others, very nice! You seem to be good at it, keep up whatever your doing haha, whats your method for breaking them? I would love to have one within the next few years and my friend is wanting one again (he has a large African species tank)

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My method for breaking them is simple. I cheat and have other fish do it. ;)

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I've found that ATF are very in tune to the actions of other fish that look like them. I take advantage of this to get them to eat. IME, tigers won't look to the surface for food if they're left to their own devices. Taking advantage of their awareness of their surroundings, I decided one day to add some tinfoil barbs with my old pack to see what happened. Within a week, the tigers were copying the barbs and eating Jumbo Carnisticks off of the surface.

Here's the complete write up:

So you want your new African tiger fish to eat pellets?

It's also VERY important to note, that as soon as I added the dithers this afternoon, the aggression that I mentioned earlier stopped like someone flipped a switch. IMO, other than breaking them, the key to getting them to play nice is to have so many similar fish that no one can get singled out.

Nice pick up!
Thanks man!



You guys might be happy to know that the BATF is already starting to put on weight. He ate 10 gut loaded rosy reds over the past 24 hours and seems to have filled out a tiny bit. Here's a pic from today:

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I'd kill to have access to my Nikon right now. If I snapped that pic with my good camera, I would have captured sufficient detail to be able to definitively identify that fish with that picture. As it is, I'm pretty sure that I'm able to confirm it as brevis from that picture.

1- It appears to have three scale rows between the lateral line and the pelvic fin insertion. This would give a diagnosis of brevis if I could confirm it.

2- It appears as though the dorsal fin and the pelvic fins are roughly in line with one another, again consistent with BATF.

3- It has seven scale rows between the LL and the dorsal fin.

4- The scales cross the back at the eighth row, consistent with BATF. FATF crosses at the seventh.

5- The way the stripes are marked on the scales. Batf has the tips of the scales on the top three or four rows marked, FATF has the whole scale marked.

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While three, four and five are my own original research, I feel confident in the diagnosis of this guy as brevis now. One and two are straight out of the published descriptions of these fish, and my original research as confirmed 3,4 and 5 to be consistent with fish that were diagnosed with the published data with 100% accuracy.

I'm still hesitant to say "100% brevis" until I can look into the tank and count the three scale rows, however. I can do this with the FATF very easily, so there's no doubt in my mind as to what it is.

Once I have all five, should I start a new thread or just keep it going in here?

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Start a new thread. That brevis is jot thin it's near death, you sjould feed it twice a day for a while if you can.
 

Chicxulub

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Start a new thread. That brevis is jot thin it's near death, you sjould feed it twice a day for a while if you can.
I'm adding 15 rosies a day so he can eat at his leisure. Pellet training as begun today as well The brevis is so hungry that he's already checking out pellets within the first hour of the addition of the barbs and pellets!

I think he'll pull through, he still has a strong spirit. :)

I'll start a new thread once I have all five. :thumbsup:
 

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Looking good! Is that a tarpon? Good luck with the pellet training.
Thanks man!

That is a tarpon, Megelops atlanticus. Now I just need to find a cyprinoides to be his partner! I love tarpon, they're one of my favorite fish. They have beautiful chrome scales once they get larger.
 

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great idea!! using the other fish as teachers basically haha. he does have pellet trained catfish and other pellet eaters in the tank now (when he tried the first time he had one lone VATF, which as I said in my previous post died while trying to break it off live) so based on that he should have no problem now! thanks for the help!

That Brevis is going to be beautiful once he gets some length n weight on

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Agreed. I'm hoping to fatten him up! Brevis aren't very common so I'd hate to lose him. :(
Hopefully you can. I have never had luck getting an emaciated fishes body back to fullness. Once they get to that stage where the back looks pinched and body gets that wafer thin I have never been able to get a fish back to normal.
 

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Hopefully you can. I have never had luck getting an emaciated fishes body back to fullness. Once they get to that stage where the back looks pinched and body gets that wafer thin I have never been able to get a fish back to normal.
Not what I want to hear. :lol2:

Do you mean they die or they just never look right?
 

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Thanks man!

That is a tarpon, Megelops atlanticus. Now I just need to find a cyprinoides to be his partner! I love tarpon, they're one of my favorite fish. They have beautiful chrome scales once they get larger.
It looks great and it's a good size too. How do you tell indo pacifics from atlantics?


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