Most intelligent aquarium fish ?

[AmazonPredator]

I use to have a managuense that would fetch beers from the fridge and light up cigarettes...is that impressive?

I'm not really sure what you could define as the "smarter" species in aquariums. Several of my fish recognize when I walk in the room and come up for food, so that's nothing out of the norm. As far as personality goes, I use to have 2 large volitan lionfish that were quite interactive, however my opinion is that they were just food oriented.

Several of my catfish will readily take smelt out of hand hand and will allow themselves to be stroked, but I don't know how intelligent you could call that...

 

[guppy]

That is utterly absurd and even more arrogant. Actually, hardly any advanced animals mate for life.

The flaw here lies in her (Stella's/Laura's) presumptions/presumptuousness. She considers herself to be the most advanced life form and draws her conclusions from there. It is further aggravated through her very intolerant Judaeo-Christian upbringing and ethical values. This premise, although erroneous, is typical to the Human Sapiens species and is best illustrated through the species self-assigned name.

There can be many defintions of intelligence. If one was to try being objective and define intelligence as several inellectual abilities (with self-awareness being but one) several marine mammals as well as elephants beat Humans hands/fins/trunks down.

Most humans don't mate for life either.

 

[shekes]

Most humans don't mate for life either.

my point exactly

 

[Stella]

That is utterly absurd and even more arrogant. Actually, hardly any advanced animals mate for life.

The flaw here lies in her (Stella's/Laura's) presumptions/presumptuousness. She considers herself to be the most advanced life form and draws her conclusions from there. It is further aggravated through her very intolerant Judaeo-Christian upbringing and ethical values. This premise, although erroneous, is typical to the Human Sapiens species and is best illustrated through the species self-assigned name.

I'm sorry, but assuming that YOUR world view is correct and mine is not is arrogance on YOUR part, not mine. It is one thing to disagree with me and another to attack me. I expressed a thought as part of a friendly discussion and you chose to criticize me, my opinions, and my upbringing. Grow up and learn some tolerance.

Many parrot species and many species of cichlids mate for life, and many other animals like whales (which you are stating are more intelligent than humans) and elephants live in permanent family groups. If you want to talk evolution, it is actually BENEFICIAL to the animals for species to mate for life or to form family groups because they can then protect each other and their young and they do not have to go through the process of finding a mate every breeding season. THAT was my point in saying it relates to more intelligent/more advanced species, but you chose to make something else of it.

While you are studying up on tolerance, why don't you get your facts straight?

Laura

 

[Stella]

Most humans don't mate for life either.

I think this is just more evidence that it relates to intelligence *shrugs*.

Laura

 

[Fish_are_fishfood]

That is utterly absurd and even more arrogant. Actually, hardly any advanced animals mate for life.

She considers herself to be the most advanced life form and draws her conclusions from there.

I do believe we are the most advanced life forms as well. Lets see, we have mastered the use of tools to make our lives easier, we are the only animals that have a language to communicate to others. And yeah, dolphins sqeuk and dogs bark, but that is not a language, it is just signs and warnings. And don't say animals talk because they do in the the Wild Thornberries show. If we are talking about the most advanced in intelligence, overall, I think we are. Yeah dolphins can squek and jump through hoops and use echo location, but when was the last time I've seen a dolphin sitting at a computer or mastering the Chaos Theory. If other animals were as intelignent or more than us, wouldnt they be making us jump through hoops. We have discovered and made advancements never thought possible, we made it to the moon for godsake. Humans have found ways to reproduce and grow in numbers while other animals have died out and are lossing numbers. Humans control the earth and have mastered it to fit us as they need it. The only stronger power than humans is weather/nature. But pretty soon I think that we will be able to control that to. Although some may say taking over the world is a sign of stupidness because we are killing it, it also takes a smart mind to be able to conquer a planet.

But like Guppy, my American Eel is pretty smart too. He always comes out to play and swims in and out f my fingers when I stick my hand in the tank. I'll also put my face to the tank and open my mouth wide and then he will copy me and open his mouth wide. He also finds a way to steal any food that I give to anything else. If I give a worm to a crab, he will come from be hind the crab and in a sudden burst take the food. Or if that doesn't work, he'll grab a piece of it, and then spind wildley until the crab either lets go, or gets flung off the food.

 

[shekes]

Stella/Laura I didn't mean to "attack" you personally and I am sorry if you interpret me this way.

All really I did was point out how preposterous your catholic "mating for life = intelligent" theory is, and elaborated on where it comes from.

As far as the rest of your reply is concerned: you are just twisting your words.

Sticking to your kins is smart, "until death does us apart" - despicably pathetic

 

[Stella]

Stella/Laura I didn't mean to "attack" you personally and I am sorry if you interpret me this way.

Laura is just fine. I don't need to hide behind a screen name to express my opinions.

All really I did was point out how preposterous your catholic "mating for life = intelligent" theory is, and elaborated on where it comes from.

How is it preposterous? I thought it was a viable evolutionary advancement.

Why does marriage exist in places where Christianity does not?

My values will remain just that--my values. I'm sorry that you have to make your values into life truths.

Laura

 

[Ali1]

fish only want two things in life...... food and not to be food!

 

[sandtiger]

I do believe we are the most advanced life forms as well. Lets see, we have mastered the use of tools to make our lives easier, we are the only animals that have a language to communicate to others. And yeah, dolphins sqeuk and dogs bark, but that is not a language, it is just signs and warnings. And don't say animals talk because they do in the the Wild Thornberries show. If we are talking about the most advanced in intelligence, overall, I think we are. Yeah dolphins can squek and jump through hoops and use echo location, but when was the last time I've seen a dolphin sitting at a computer or mastering the Chaos Theory. If other animals were as intelignent or more than us, wouldnt they be making us jump through hoops. We have discovered and made advancements never thought possible, we made it to the moon for godsake. Humans have found ways to reproduce and grow in numbers while other animals have died out and are lossing numbers. Humans control the earth and have mastered it to fit us as they need it. The only stronger power than humans is weather/nature. But pretty soon I think that we will be able to control that to. Although some may say taking over the world is a sign of stupidness because we are killing it, it also takes a smart mind to be able to conquer a planet.

But like Guppy, my American Eel is pretty smart too. He always comes out to play and swims in and out f my fingers when I stick my hand in the tank. I'll also put my face to the tank and open my mouth wide and then he will copy me and open his mouth wide. He also finds a way to steal any food that I give to anything else. If I give a worm to a crab, he will come from be hind the crab and in a sudden burst take the food. Or if that doesn't work, he'll grab a piece of it, and then spind wildley until the crab either lets go, or gets flung off the food.

There is really no point in argueing with you because I know you are probably not going to change your mind. I suggest you read the book "The Thired Chimpanzee" by Jared Diamond and pay close attension to the chapter "Just Another Species of Big Mammal". He claims there is nothing special about humans. Our ability to create tools is not unique in the animal kingdom. Other animals make and use tools. You may be saying "Their tools suck next to ours" but consider our hands...our dextarity makes us able to make great tools in conjuction with our brains. Dolphins are really smart and just because you don't know what they are saying does not mean they are not saying something. Dolphins cannot make tools or fly to the moon for an obvious reason...no hands. Spiders can make magnificent webs, homes and traps....very dextarious but they lack the brain power to go beyond that. It is a comination of traits that other animals have that make us different. But other animals do have them.

Also consider this. Maybe smart animals like dophins or elephants don't try to do the things we do because they are comfortable with what they have. They don't know greed and only want what they need. Maybe they have evolved past the point where they care about petty things like the moon and consentrate on the here and now...thats what matters most.