Most intelligent aquarium fish ?

[shekes]

I do believe we are the most advanced life forms as well. Lets see, we have mastered the use of tools to make our lives easier, we are the only animals that have a language to communicate to others. And yeah, dolphins sqeuk and dogs bark, but that is not a language, it is just signs and warnings. And don't say animals talk because they do in the the Wild Thornberries show. If we are talking about the most advanced in intelligence, overall, I think we are. Yeah dolphins can squek and jump through hoops and use echo location, but when was the last time I've seen a dolphin sitting at a computer or mastering the Chaos Theory. If other animals were as intelignent or more than us, wouldnt they be making us jump through hoops. We have discovered and made advancements never thought possible, we made it to the moon for godsake. Humans have found ways to reproduce and grow in numbers while other animals have died out and are lossing numbers. Humans control the earth and have mastered it to fit us as they need it. The only stronger power than humans is weather/nature. But pretty soon I think that we will be able to control that to. Although some may say taking over the world is a sign of stupidness because we are killing it, it also takes a smart mind to be able to conquer a planet.

But like Guppy, my American Eel is pretty smart too. He always comes out to play and swims in and out f my fingers when I stick my hand in the tank. I'll also put my face to the tank and open my mouth wide and then he will copy me and open his mouth wide. He also finds a way to steal any food that I give to anything else. If I give a worm to a crab, he will come from be hind the crab and in a sudden burst take the food. Or if that doesn't work, he'll grab a piece of it, and then spind wildley until the crab either lets go, or gets flung off the food.

sandtiger is probably right when he says "There is really no point in argueing with you because I know you are probably not going to change your mind."
But, as selfless as I am ...
I am going to answer you once and will again if you will try to be more attentive to what you read and less polemic in your arguments.
Otherwise I just won't bother.

"Let's see", "mastered the use of tools". - The only guy who is really capable of "mastering the Chaos Theory" couldn't raise a screwdriver or be "sitting at a computer" or even "squeek". However, I personally would prefer his, or my cat's, company to that of a computer-using tool-mastering plumber. Otters use tools, rats do.
If "dolphins sqeuk", you do too, to them. What's more: they understand our language better than we theirs.
"If other animals were as intelignent or more than us, wouldnt they be making us jump through hoops." - Hitler, killed 6.000.000 million people that didn't do any harm to him. I fail to see his genius.
"Humans control the earth " - like in New Orleans?
"have mastered it to fit us as they need it" - I don't. This planet would have been of greater value to me two centuries ago.
"it also takes a smart mind to be able to conquer a planet" -Every new virus strain does, every single year.
"we made it to the moon for godsake." - An impressive, mindboggling achievement it is indeeed. Never ceases to amaze me. A true argument. Humans have potential, I never disputed that. All I am saying is that it is a bit premature to claim we are the most intelligent. Let's wait a few centuries more.
As I said, you would need to provide an objective definition of intelligence. That is not easy. Neurologically speaking, the processes taking place in the whale's huge brain are more complex than in your own. Thus, don't claim you are smarter until you do understand the whale, the elephant or even your dog.
Understand: it is your definition of intelligence, not mine. I do not want to be associated with it. It is arrogant.
Note my signature. Stalin killed 60.000.000 human sapienses, by your definition, smartest guy around. Think. You haven't even invited the dolphins to vote.
It is way too early to celebrate your triumph over nature. Your attitude will make you dig your own grave.

 

[shekes]

How is it preposterous? I thought it was a viable evolutionary advancement.

You thought wrong. I don't need to explain how it is preposterous. You produced a theory it is up to you to back it up.

Why does marriage exist in places where Christianity does not?

Marriage does not imply "mating for life". The Christian concept of marriage was originally borrowed from the Jews (who practiced divorce) but brought ad absurdum by Catholicism. Both marriage and divorce are valuable notions successfully practiced by most of humanity.

My values will remain just that--my values. I'm sorry that you have to make your values into life truths.

I am glad to hear that you remain true to your values. As long as you don't manufacture pseudo-scientific religion-based doctrines we have nothing to argue about.

Kind regards

Ali1 - you summed it up!

 

[Stella]

You aren't reading my posts, so I'm obviously wasting my time. I'm sorry I bothered offering evidence at all, since you are so close-minded that you cannot even consider the fact that someone besides you might be right. When it comes right down to it, all either of us has is opinions, and we both know what those are like.

I apologize for my part in this thread.

Laura

 

[d20monsteroscar20]

If anyone still cares I Know for a fact that my Oscars are the most smart fish I ever kept. They do tricks, dance for food just like someone said earlier and they have the ablity to recognize me from everyonelse that come closer to the tank.

PS. One love, one life,
lets all be together and be alright

 

[Fish_are_fishfood]

Ok, whatever is whatever, I have my way and you have yours..Shekes, but seriously, I think you just like to hear yourself talk, stick to the topic of intelligent fishies As I see it, you just opened up a big can-O-spam

And to keep this post in the topic, Sea Robins are prehaps one of the dumbest fish. They will eat anything that moves untill they realize it is not good. They eat the fish flake food, they go after sea weed, he goes after the eels tail, he'll go after moving hermit crabs and periwinkles, he'll go after my arm when I stick my hand in the tank, he also spent nearly 30 mins trying to swallow a three spine stickleback fish that kept getting stuck in his throat. He would swallow it, then spit it out, but grab it before it swam away, then did this over and over, until he finally spit it out and at that momment another fish swam by him that he could eat.

Laura I forgive you

 

[shekes]

Kinda like you.
You'll try talking to that guy, he'll answer, you'll say "whataverwhataver", try talking to the next... until you'll find someone who is dumb enough to agree.

and yes sandtiger WAS right

 

[Fish_are_fishfood]

^^^^^ ^^^^

 

[Stella]

Kinda like you.
You'll try talking to that guy, he'll answer, you'll say "whataverwhataver", try talking to the next... until you'll find someone who is dumb enough to agree.

Been married for two years and it's so nice to not have to worry about STDs or him someday surprising me with another woman's child (there's my evolved behavior kicking in--I don't want to waste my time raising someone else's genes).

Ok, whatever is whatever, I have my way and you have yours..Shekes, but seriously, I think you just like to hear yourself talk, stick to the topic of intelligent fishies As I see it, you just opened up a big can-O-spam

So nice to know I'm not the only sane one left .

Laura

 

[shekes]

Been married for two years and it's so nice to not have to worry about STDs or him someday surprising me with another woman's child (there's my evolved behavior kicking in--I don't want to waste my time raising someone else's genes).



So nice to know I'm not the only sane one left .

Laura

I meant fishfood Laura, not you.
For what it's worth.

Keep up the good work

 

[Stella]

I meant fishfood Laura, not you.
For what it's worth.

Oh, you shifted fire! Sorry about that.

Laura