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Multiple Oscars in Large Tank

It's all about the bacteria evolved to live in certain water types.
Oscars are endeemic to mineral poor, soft, neutral pH, low nitrate and acidic water in S America, so have not needed to develop resistance to the type bacteria endemic to hard, higher pH, nitrate rich mineral rich water, common in many parts of North America.
That soup alone is not what creates HITH in oscars, ........but that soup is ........
an environment where only pH, mineral rich tolerant and sensitive bacteria are endemic.

Expose an oscar to hard high pH, water with not enough water changes to keep nitrate at low levels,
and those hard water bacteria become a chronic problem just as oscars are hitting maturity
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Coming from the reef side, I would expect OP to be set with an RO unit that can provide low mineral concentration water to cut the soup,
if the tap water is naturally hard, and high pH.
And since tap water is an easy road to hoe, compared to mixing up salt water, it will be a breeze in comparison to keep nitrate at a minimum (<5ppm).

The OP might also still have a sump/refugim available to use as a heavily planted addition that could keep nitrates at bay.

I have used heavily planted refugiums for decades , and not had an issues with HITH with my cichlids, even when I slack off on water changes
Of course I only keep cichlids endemic to my hard, high pH water.
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Or if Oscars can be found, those that have lived where survival of the fittest has eliminated individuals not able too adapt to certain waters (I'm not talking breeder tanks where life is easy) that might be an alternate solution.

Here in Panama there is a strong population of feral oscars, living in the hard water soup of Lake Gatun. (or the brackish waters of the Evergreen;ades)
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Where, due to the survival of fittest mode, would have quickly eliminated any "not" able to adapt, (maybe 99% of any spawn), so those that make it to be able to spawn themselves, would be quite robust.
 
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@duanes this makes a lot more sense, and is a lot more in line with my current understanding of aquarium keeping. I don't have an RO anymore, mine froze in storage. My plan was to get a new one for top off, but our new house does not have a great setup to store large amounts of RO water for water changes, and it would take a day to fill back up from a 30% wc straight from the RO.

However, my plan is robust filtration with heavy solids removal, periods of higher flow in the tank to kick up detritus and keep it moving to the sump, and some form of efficient nutrient export to deal with nitrates. Not sure if id go refugium, maybe trying a sulfur denitrator (more research to do there), or maybe just a low flow anoxic chamber with plenty of ceramic media.

All that being said, I don't think I want to mess with rehoming mature oscars if a couple pair off. So this may not be the direction I want to go.

Thanks for everyone's input, and if anyone has any other stocking ideas, let me know. I'll probably start a new thread for that.
 
Expose an oscar to hard high pH, water with not enough water changes to keep nitrate at low levels,
and those hard water bacteria become a chronic problem just as oscars are hitting maturity


Back to the "which came first", the chicken or the egg. I don't blame the egg for coming out with a weak shell, and half rotten. I don't even blame the chicken. I blame the farmer who raised the chicken in a filthy, crowded, high stress environment, where the chicken couldn't live up to its full potential.

Your theory above, is just a theory. But doesn't explain how HITH can also be found in very young, juvenile fish. From the link above on HITH.

We have hard water here, and I have never seen melanura , most certainly not juveniles, come down with HITH.

Yet the vast majority of tropical fish farmed in the USA, come from S. Florida, where the water is hard as rock, and has a high pH. I guarantee you that Segrest Farms isn't using RO water for the SA species, and their fish aren't swimming around in vats with HITH. These are domestic strains, many generations removed from the wild - just like the angel fish, and discus, in my following post from the first link that I posted.

South American habitat-- river types | MonsterFishKeepers.com
 
Even for 300 gallon I would do no more than two, especially if you add a smaller fish or two. My oscar Brick was 15", over 3 1/2 lbs and literally could foul a 225 with minimal effort. I cleaned filter pads twice a week. This was with no food days a week (2). I would change out 90% of the water weekly. PH here in DC is 7.5-7.6 so close to the ph edge for O's. But no real problems until he passed recently at 5 from what appeared to be kidney/tumor issues. Never had any hith. So it can be done with water changes. Don't mess around with it due to O's massive bioload.

You absolutely will have to adjust your w/c schedule as oscars grow. I went from 50% (baby-juvie) to 75% young adult to 90% (mature adult). They are NOT a fish to overstock with! Also, personality and territory. They don't like being crowded at all. You may have two that get along or two that fight. No way to know until it happens.
 
King of DIY on YouTube has repeatedly said he would never keep oscars alone again. He really liked the personality difference with the group. He had a group of 6 in a 180 (i think about one year old), and did not look overcrowded. He recently moved 5 if them back in to a 180. He did not indicate any struggle to keep up with water quality the way he was feeding. 30% weekly wc and weekly cleaning of filter sponge.

I'd post the link, but I'm too new to the forum.

Search king of diy oscar tank. Stunning display. That was what I was going to shoot for and the inspiration, although I am probably not going to go that route do to the likelihood that they will eventually form a pair and have an issue.
 
King of DIY on YouTube has repeatedly said he would never keep oscars alone again. He really liked the personality difference with the group. He had a group of 6 in a 180 (i think about one year old), and did not look overcrowded. He recently moved 5 if them back in to a 180. He did not indicate any struggle to keep up with water quality the way he was feeding. 30% weekly wc and weekly cleaning of filter sponge.

I'd post the link, but I'm too new to the forum.

Search king of diy oscar tank. Stunning display. That was what I was going to shoot for and the inspiration, although I am probably not going to go that route do to the likelihood that they will eventually form a pair and have an issue.
I’d listen to finwinn
 
Never had any hith. So it can be done with water changes. Don't mess around with it due to O's massive bioload.

You absolutely will have to adjust your w/c schedule as oscars grow. I went from 50% (baby-juvie) to 75% young adult to 90% (mature adult). They are NOT a fish to overstock with!

Bingo!

And you are one of the few that fall into the 1-2% that actually keep up with the proper maintenance these fish demand as they mature. While millions of others that try their hand at Oscar’s place them into a tank far too small, then slack off on maintenance as the fish grows, and they become bored with the time and effort it takes to keep filters and water in check.
Hello HITH.

How many years did the King keep his Os for? 1 year in the life of these fish is entry level.
 
I’d listen to finwinn

Read my whole reply. NOT going that direction anymore.

That being said, I don't see many people commenting on here that would have more experience than Joey Mullen. I just don't have the real-estate to move fish into a new tank if they pair up and I'd like to be setup for longterm success and plan to not have to do that.
 
Read my whole reply. NOT going that direction anymore.

That being said, I don't see many people commenting on here that would have more experience than Joey Mullen. I just don't have the real-estate to move fish into a new tank if they pair up and I'd like to be setup for longterm success and plan to not have to do that.
I don’t think you know how much experience the people here have. I’ve been in the hobby in one way or another since ‘86 and I’m not even close to the most knowledgeable or experienced person here. But do whatever you want
 
Bingo!

And you are one of the few that fall into the 1-2% that actually keep up with the proper maintenance these fish demand as they mature. While millions of others that try their hand at Oscar’s place them into a tank far too small, then slack off on maintenance as the fish grows, and they become bored with the time and effort it takes to keep filters and water in check.
Hello HITH.

How many years did the King keep his Os for? 1 year in the life of these fish is entry level.


Im assuming you are not familiar with him. Not here to argue on his behalf, but using entry level to describe him is insanely off course.

They were around a year at the time the video was made if I remember correctly and he moved 5 of them back into a 180 out of his 1000 gallon a few months back.
 
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