He does address long term when he moved them back into the 180 and that's part of what ultimately turned me off because he comments that he suspects they will eventually form a pair and he'd have to move the others out. I don't want to do that. But he repeatedly says he loves and greatly prefers how they act as a group compared to individuals or pairs. He says "I'll never keep oscars alone again". Still not saying he's right, just point of discussion.
Multiple Oscars in Large Tank
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He does address long term when he moved them back into the 180 and that's part of what ultimately turned me off because he comments that he suspects they will eventually form a pair and he'd have to move the others out. I don't want to do that. But he repeatedly says he loves and greatly prefers how they act as a group compared to individuals or pairs. He says "I'll never keep oscars alone again". Still not saying he's right, just point of discussion.
Joey is a very well known and respected you tuber, I used to watch all his videos, but as he got more popular he changed things round, and not for the better imo, I don't watch much nowadays.
It's a shame because he has the platform to do some really good work for the hobby. Instead, he's going down the "viewing numbers" route. He never stops changing things around.
I'd love to see him take a species on, that group of oscars would have been great, from juvenile size, raise them, establish a pair, breed them and share his findings on his channel. Serious fish keepers would have been glued to that sort of stuff.
It's a shame because he has the platform to do some really good work for the hobby. Instead, he's going down the "viewing numbers" route. He never stops changing things around.
I'd love to see him take a species on, that group of oscars would have been great, from juvenile size, raise them, establish a pair, breed them and share his findings on his channel. Serious fish keepers would have been glued to that sort of stuff.
My thoughts exactly. Though I understand the tendency to go this route and the practical reasons why.
Ah ha...now things make sense. So it wasn't a permanent setup. The O's were moved possibly for a video and/or display purposes. Since he has a drip system he probably could get away with it for short bursts. I still wouldn't want an O tank that would need w/c s every 2 days, that would drive me nuts. Even with my water schedule if stuff happened and I skipped ONE day the 225 would stink to the roof. Tank gas would light up the rec room before I even got down the stairs.
I just want to throw my two cents in here, OP, I totally see your viewpoint, and while I've never heard of the youtuber you mentioned, by the standards of many here, his setup would be overstocked on steroids, even short-term. As for yours, you could have a pair in there, but honestly, while I haven't kept Oscars long term, they really have good personalities for fish on their own. There's a reason they are so popular.
Also, I would highly recommend taking the advice of these people, they are genuinely trying to help (I know from experience), even further, I would especially listen to FINWIN on this matter since she had the biggest Oscar I have ever seen (Brick) for a couple of years until his unfortunate passing. He truly had a dedicated owner; if I were an Oscar keeper, I would try to strive to be like FINWIN@ with the care she provided.
I don't mean this to be attacking you or not considering your viewpoint, I totally get where you are coming from, but like I said above, I would recommend listening to the masters here.
Also, I would highly recommend taking the advice of these people, they are genuinely trying to help (I know from experience), even further, I would especially listen to FINWIN on this matter since she had the biggest Oscar I have ever seen (Brick) for a couple of years until his unfortunate passing. He truly had a dedicated owner; if I were an Oscar keeper, I would try to strive to be like FINWIN@ with the care she provided.
I don't mean this to be attacking you or not considering your viewpoint, I totally get where you are coming from, but like I said above, I would recommend listening to the masters here.
Respectfully i think you are assuming too much from my few sentences to sum up two 15 minute videos to draw the conclusions that support your point.
At least watch the first one if you want to get an opinion on what he did. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary about them being moved super short term for a video. It is of course possible he was being intentionally misleading. He has made comments in other vids about setups being too much maintenance and him changing them for that reason.
I don't see this as an attack at all. Thanks for your input. I'm not going this route for a variety of reasons, including some of the responses here.
One issue I have is the reasons cited for not keeping several in one tank. Bioload keeps coming up without ever discussing or asking what my actual plans for filtration are. Only one person approached this side of the topic. Bioload is an engineering problem that can be overcome. Of course, not all solutions would be reasonable and maybe there isn't a reasonable solution to this. But I have some options.
Space/aggression issues are of course different and the main reason I won't do this. I don't want to have to rehome anyone. I'm trying to plan for long term success.
Again, thanks for the input!
Bioload comes up because there’s not much you can do about nitrates other than do WCs. There’s carbons like chemipure that can help but I’m not sure what those would do for something as dirty as an Oscar
How often do people implement other forms of nutrient export in freshwater? Are they just not as effective? Or is it just because wc's are cheap and relatively easy that most fw folks use them instead of other export methods? Thinking deep sand bed, anoxic zones, refugium, or sulfur denitrators.
Most people seem to use canister filters in fw. How often do most clean them?
LOL power blew out as I was responding...
If you read my earlier response I said I borrowed some filtration ideas from him and watched his vids all the time. In any case, ain't no thing...just that moving the o's seems
