hello; my father was a Marine and he taught me about shooting safely.
Hello; I will have to think about the hollow points a bit.
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Hello; I will have to think about the hollow points a bit.
They are no more or less lethal than a regular round. They only seem to be illegal in the most restrictive states such as New Joisy and New York.
We were messing around with some at the range and they did quite the number on a balistics vest.
Lol,they are all that I feed to my stable and true enough they are not without their features but when it comes down to it,either one will do it's job.
Hello; That is what I was puzzled about. I find them for sale around here. It is my take the hollow point will fragment or expand during penetration. Because the spin the spiral groves of a barrel gives the bullet it will sort of act like a spinning saw. This does more internal damage. Of course in the event some thing needs to be shot that damage is desired. An advantage being there should be less total penetration so the round might not pass thru and do harm in places at a distance.
Solid bullets are said to penetrate deeply and even pass thru objects better. I guess if one of the large feral hogs were my target and I had the choice a solid bullet would be a first pick.
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I think you've misinterpreted what I meant lol I didn't mean that police shouldn't have to train with their weapon, I meant that if law enforcement officers have to go through certain training to be allowed to carry a gun, then average citizens should have to as well.
I also think this is stupid. A police officer should be setting an example for the general public. I think if an officer is caught behaving unlawfully with a firearm he/she should be in more trouble than when a normal citizen does. How can an officer expect people to abide by the law if they themselves don't?
Disclaimer: this is just my opinion. Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one. I do not expect anyone to share mine nor am I trying to change other peoples.
Oh yeah no doubt. Plus i think there are different levels of vests.
I think you've misinterpreted what I meant lol I didn't mean that police shouldn't have to train with their weapon, I meant that if law enforcement officers have to go through certain training to be allowed to carry a gun, then average citizens should have to as well.
I also think this is stupid. A police officer should be setting an example for the general public. I think if an officer is caught behaving unlawfully with a firearm he/she should be in more trouble than when a normal citizen does. How can an officer expect people to abide by the law if they themselves don't?
Disclaimer: this is just my opinion. Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one. I do not expect anyone to share mine nor am I trying to change other peoples.
No i get what u were saying kittie and agree with you. What i meant was that i liked having to re qualify. Couldnt understand what it would be a an issue over here. But again small things like what bathroom to use was a national scandel lol.
Lol @ur disclaimer
, I meant that if law enforcement officers have to go through certain training to be allowed to carry a gun, then average citizens should have to as well.
Hello; someone please correct this if I get it mixed up. Some things are a privilege granted under state or federal law. Driving a car on public roads is an example. In order to be able to have this privilege in Kentucky, where I first got my license, we must pass a driving test and a written exam. We can then be issued a drivers license by the state.
The state can and does require that we have insurance and also pay a tag fee each year. Kentucky also charges property tax each year on each registered vehicle. In Tennessee where I now reside they only charge a wheel tax each year so it is much less expensive to have vehicles.
This and other privileges are allowed under state and federal laws. Fees, taxes, mandatory training and other requirements can be put in place by the legislatures. When I was a teacher I was required to take classes to maintain my teaching certification.
Those privileges are not the same as a “right”. When the founding fathers wrote the constitution they included some things that cannot be legislated away by the various government bodies. They also allowed for a process to have amendments to the constitution. Among those added amendments is the second amendment also known as the “right to bear arms”. The first amendment is known as the “free speech amendment.” Collectively these are known as the bill of rights. So the constitutional guarantee of free speech and to bear arms are often called rights.
When something is a “right” it cannot be taken away by state law and the process under federal law is difficult. I think it requires a ¾ vote in both houses and ratification by 2/3 of the states. It has been done but not lately.
To the point. A police officer can be required under state law to take classes and/or qualify with a firearm as a part of being employed. Part of the job in other words. A citizen cannot (perhaps should not might fit) be required to qualify or pay a fee in order to exercise a right. I do not have to take voice classes in order to have “free speech”. I do not have to own property or pay a poll tax in order to vote. I do not have to qualify or take classes in order to have the right to “bear arms”.
The courts have made interpretations of the constitutional “rights” over the decades. To my thinking his has amounted to a restriction of the second amendment rights. Anyway we have to deal with these modifications. I had to take and pass a concealed carry course in order to have a weapon on my person that is not visible for example. I do not have to re-qualify on a time schedule however because I have a constitutional right.
Hello; A story. A young fellow I know well had a father who ran whiskey back in the 1960's. That fellow got a call in the wee hours one morning because the father had put a car loaded with illegal whisky into a ditch. That young fellow drove to the wreck site. There he was helped by two police officers to load the whisky into the trunk is car. No arrests or anything. Then a wrecker was called.
Hello; I like your disclaimer and also claim to have a butt hole.
My right is to carry what ever my law enforcement carries, they do not carry automatics, you well not see a cop with a automatic machine gun. They are made to mow down a large area indiscriminately, there is no real aiming, just point and spray. useless for hunting, useless for target practicing, and dang stupid for home / self defense. well unless there is a zombie invasion.
as for hollow points, I practice with 180g FMJ, I carry and loaded with hollow points, hollow points flower on impact causing more vascular dmg. do to blood pressure drop the person drops, threat removed sooner. and thats what its all about in self defense. removing the threat.