The Ethics of Aquariums

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Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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You might not be aware since you're new to the forum, but all religious discussions are prohibited according to the Terms of Service (TOS). I'm not bashing you, just giving you a heads-up to avoid any issues. You can check the TOS in the site rules section for more details.

ehhhh, it was pretty clever though lol
 

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This simple answer ^ is probably close to accurate, but I'd modify it a bit. We keep them, not so much because we can, but because we want to, i.e. we are motivated by pure selfishness.

The justification for anything, done by anyone, can be boiled down to that one simple constant: selfishness. Anything we do...we do for selfish reasons. People who steal do it for entirely obvious selfish reasons: because they want the loot, and having it makes them feel good. But people who live pious lives and give to charity and volunteer at soup kitchens and rescue sick fish and chain themselves to old growth trees and perform any number of other "selfless" acts...do all that stuff because it makes them feel good. They've been raised to believe that good is good and evil is evil, and by doing good they will earn some Brownie points with God and go to Heaven...in other words, they do it ultimately to benefit themselves; they're being selfish.

Mother Theresa was one of the most selfish people who ever lived. She decided, or rather was raised to believe, that she needed to help everybody because that was God's will and she was doing God's work. But she didn't do it merely because she thought God wanted her to; she ultimately did it because she would feel good about herself for getting in good with God. Selfish.

Born-again evangelists who climb over my gate and trudge up to my house to try and coerce or implore or threaten me to see things their way...are selfishly grasping for that rush of gratification they have been taught to feel when they save the soul of another heathen or sinner. When a few deep-throated threatening barks from Duke sends them scurrying back to their cars...well, that selfish self-serving reaction takes precedence over the other selfishness. People who log onto MFK and answer silly basic questions posed by silly newbie fishkeepers don't do so merely to be helpful; they do so because they have been taught that helping is a good deed, and doing "good" will make them feel better. All selfish.




IMHO, that makes about as much sense as asking a nun for advice about the merits of various sex positions.




Yep! We eat meat because we want to. Same with fishkeeping. Entirely selfish.

Everyone who wants to pile on and tell me how wrong I am, feel free to proceed. You'll feel good...you selfish bastidges...:)
I would personally go one step further and argue that it is natural instinct to be selfish; and that humans, being the stupid yet most needlessly intelligent beings of this world, managed to completely alter the instinct to include non-important matters as part of the instinct for selfish gain.
Heck, you could argue that breathing and sleeping are selfish actions, as your own existence causes further strain and detriment to this world.
A bird, for instance, is a wholly selfish creature; they eat whatever and whenever they can or want, kill anything they think should be killed, attack or mate with any other bird they choose, etc. It cannot be blamed for that, though, because in the grand scheme of things, that selfishness is considered survival, and the most aggressively selfish ones will succeed.
Humans have gotten to the point where selfishness is no longer a strong need, but millions of millennia have forced it to be a fundamental instinct - and now it has evolved into wants for mere whims and fancies that better themselves in the artificial ecosystem called society.
Either that, or I'm selfishly barging into a random philosophical discussion by rambling on about ideas pulled out my arse, lol.
 

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Humans have gotten to the point where selfishness is no longer a strong need, but millions of millennia have forced it to be a fundamental instinct - and now it has evolved into wants for mere whims and fancies that better themselves in the artificial ecosystem called society.
Either that, or I'm selfishly barging into a random philosophical discussion by rambling on about ideas pulled out my arse, lol.
No, no.

I do think that the word 'gotten' should be banned in the TOS.

But you have half redeemed yourself with the correct spelling of 'arse'.

(What was this thread all about?)
 
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