The true size of Arapaima gigas

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Why don´t you care about the growth-curves? This is essential to understand the maximum sizes of animal. Even if an animal growns nearly its entire life, this doen´s matter if the growth at older ages is only minimal. Arapaimas are known to reach very big sizes within a very short time, but of course this initial massive growth doesn´t stay for their whole lifes. There are many examples of animals like fish, amphibians and reptiles, which lived very long, and where the growth was dated over many years or even decades. It is for example known that some very large crocodiles in captivity reached sometimes huge sizes in about 20 years or so, but even decades later there was not a single metre more. If the additional growth per year is only some centimetres, it doesn´t matter when an animal grows for its whole life. Furthermore every futher centimetre needs more energy to grow, because animals don´t only grow in length, but in three dimensions. To double the length you have to increase the weight for 700 % at least.
And the fishing ponds in Asia or elsewhere may have a denser population of fish, but still they have often much more food, especially compared to the comparably poor rainforest-rivers of South America.
And what you still don´t understand is that this stupid stories of 4-5m arapaimas comes only from one single second hand report. There were never anywhere reports of arapaimas of this size. You also don´t see the fact that there is still a lot of room without any fishing and pollution, and where arapaimas can life and grow without being stressed. In regions without fishery the adult size is on average about 2m. Arapaimas are not like sturgeons which are nearly everywhere highly overfished, but only regionally, so there are still a lot of them which can reach their maximum sizes in the wild. But still from this regions we have NO specimens reaching only 3m. I don´t understand why you are so ignorant towards this arguments and facts.
 

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Acheloos, do a thread on "True Size of the various giant catfish" I want to hear your good thoughtful posts on various catfishes like goonch, wels, piraiba, mekong, paroon, etc!
 

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If you have seen the new show River Monsters on Animal Planet. The host Jeremy in the beginning of the Arapiama show shows scales from what looks to be about a 2 meter specimine (guesstimate) and then shows an Arapaima scale kept by some local village people that looks (dwarfed the other) giant compared to the other scales and could possibly be from a 3 meter plus fish (and if this scale was kept hydrated would be even bigger). If you can find the footage have a look and see what you think.
 

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I wish their was a catch and release sport fishery for Araipima in Brazil similar to whats going on in Thailand. That way a kind of experiment could be done and we could document how old these fish can become and how big they can grow in their native habitats under optimum conditions.
 

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I have still not the episode about the arapaima, only those about the goonch and the wels. But on the one hand river monster really exagerate in some cases the potential size, and even an arapaima about 3m would still be far away from the old claim of 4,5m.
 

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I'm going to make a bold statement, if the smaller skin with scales is from a two meter arapaima. The larger scale absolutely dwarf the smaller scales to a degree that could be similar some of the scale charts Acheloos posted earlier. I'm going to guesstimate possibly three to three and a half meters (only a guesstimate) long arapaima.
 

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I have no problems with 3m arapaimas, given the known sizes which are confirmed, and based on average sizes in regions without fishery, this is probably a possible, but still rare size. The ichthyologist Karl-Heinz Lüling which examinded the arapaima for a long time in its natural habitat also supposed that the maximum size is probably around 3m (I have to add that this was a guess by him, because he has never see such a fish among many hundreds or thousands, which shows well how rare this would be).
Sadly I haven´t see the Arapaima-Episode of River-Monsters, but I am very curious to see this issue.
 

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Hi guys....:popcorn:
The diet of the arapaima consists of fish, crustaceans, and other small animals. The fish is an air-breather, using its swim bladder, which is rich in blood vessels and opens into the fish's mouth,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arapaima#cite_note-Ferraris-3an advantage in oxygen-deprived water that is often found in the Amazon River. This fish is therefore able to survive in shallow waters with dissolved oxygen as low as 0.5 ppm.:nilly:
The arapaima is hunted and utilized in many ways by local human populations. Arapaima are harpooned or caught in large nets and the meat is said to be delicious. Since the arapaima needs to swim up to breathe air, traditional arapaima fishers often catch them by first harpooning them and then clubbing them dead. One individual can yield as much as 70 kg of meat.:screwy:
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"Arapaima gigas"? Try "Arapaima arapaima"

Seems there are now 5 species of Arapaima......

1. A. gigas
2. A. agassizi
3. A. mapae

these 3 are known only from the preserved holotypes,
and have 18 or fewer caudal fin rays.

4. an undescribed species endemic to the protected Mamiraua reserve

5. Arapaima arapaima 31 caudal fin rays

All captive Arapaima are likely to be A. arapaima


http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...ent.php?sid=95
Last edited by blackghostuk; 03-06-2010 at 1:24 AM..

blackghostuk posted this info in another thread.
 
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