96 x 30 x 24 Tank and Arowana Species

[Backfromthedead]

IMHO a 300 gallon with a couple of canistor filters, I believe the OP stated Fx6's were going to be used (I assume that the tank is not being drilled?) , is not a big deal. The tank is ordered, money has been spent, it may even be in shipping mode at this point, either way there is no turning back. I would have added a sump to the mix, but perhaps that would have been too complicated for the OP, who knows? Not everything has exactly been well thought out thus far.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion here, but I'm not sure how a differing of opinion = MFK goal posts are moving? lol

Hell, i would line up 8 feet worth of ac110s and call it a day! Heater in the least noticeable corner of course.

I think what your boy meant with the goal post analogy was its becoming harder and harder to please the would be powers around here, and easier than ever to offend them. I'll not say more, but instead will observe a moment of silence for the loss of a respected forumite, @Dloks

 

[RD.]

Dioks banned himself. His ban has nothing to do with moving goal posts, and everything to do with not heeding warnings that were obviously given. His choice.

 

[The-Almighty-Zugs]

Omg...... seriously, you can’t seem to follow this basic simplistic conversation, but you want to plan for 2025. Lol

Seeing as you can’t seem to follow this convo, and keep referencing back to me, allow me to point out exactly what was said, that somehow went right over your head. And I just woke up and am still half asleep. Lol. It took me 2 minutes.

Read that ten times, then let me know what part of that you don’t understand. Or maybe ask you network of friends, perhaps collectively one of you will get it. Here’s a clue so that we can save another 10 pages of back and forth. 24 height for a comm tank with an Asian Afro is going to be problematic. Your tank is not suitable for comming, and even if it was, SDs would not be suitable. See quotes above, keep reading until it sinks in.

Okay to start off, good for you that you can catch things so quickly. You must be proud of yourself. I'm sure that your many years of experience help you to understand these "simple" topics where me a newbie is expected to grasp them right away. What has happened here is you have said 24H is not enough for a comm tank. When I had said this some members jumped on me and said it has nothing to do with the height of the tank. Which after reading all of your posts again, looks like they were wrong. So to reiterate, having a comm with this tank does come down to height. Meaning that you are saying that the tank does not have enough height to house a comm.

The problem is that while he seemingly has a good grasp on the King's language, and seems reasonably intelligent, he can't seem to get it into his head that this won't be a good community tank, if an Asian aro is added - EVER.

I can grasp that just fine. But again, I'm being told by some people that it would be able to house a comm in the future and others are saying that it can't. So I'm being told different things. And I want to get more info on why it is that I can't house Arowana with Silver Dollars. I understand that you say that given the size of the Arowana, that adding fish to the tank would not be a good idea. Based on size alone. Whereas other people have told me that it would be fine. It's not that I can't grasp this nor is it about my information processing ability. It is about me hearing two different things from different people.

So Zugs, when you read this later, here's the reader digest version. If you really want an Asian aro to go into this tank some day, at that point the other fish will have to be removed. If you were considering housing an adult Asian aro I don't know why you chose a tank to be built that is only 24" tall, but that was your first newbie mistake. Width and length are fine, but hold a 24" tape measure in front of you, then imagine a fish that is 6" deep, and 24" long. A fish that is a predator, that now has only 24" for wiggle room top to bottom. IMHO your tank is best suited to a single aro, no other tank mates. Period. Forever. Got it?

Good luck.

I chose a 24" tall tank because I was told that it would be fine for larger fish. I did not however look into comm tanks at that point so I guess that's on me. But still I'm being told two different things and just want to learn more and hear more. Getting people talking on why they think what they do so I can try to make sense of why I am getting two different opinions on the matter.

And why do we have to keep taking shots at eachother? Why do we have to say things like I can't process information etc. Why can't we just be cordial with one another? No need to get into petty fights. I am new and am trying to learn. This is all new to me. And I'm trying my best to make sense of it all. All at once. Isn't it normal for me to get confused?

 

[Backfromthedead]

Dioks banned himself. His ban has nothing to do with moving goal posts, and everything to do with not heeding warnings that were obviously given. His choice.

I think your statement is self defeating. The moving goal posts are the obvious warnings. I wont argue that he banned himself.

 

[RD.]

Zugs go back and read it again. Read what Hendre said about Joey feeding SDs in his aro tank, and my response to that regarding the dietary differences, as well as what Hendre said. You still don’t get it.

 

[RD.]

Well hopefully the ban is only temp. I guess time will tell.

 

[islandguy11]

Personally I don't think going with a 300 to begin with is a bad idea if Zugs has the desire and time. Likewise if he's got the cash (Black Friday is coming up isn't it?) I don't think picking up a 75g to start off with is a bad idea either even though the 300's on the way. With the 75 he could learn the ropes and get more confident. During this time he could see if he really digs the hobby (and all the good points but also the tiresome (for many) & time consuming but necessary water changes, dealing with health issues, death etc.).

If it turns out that he doesn't really take to the hobby he could always sell the still brand new 300g (for a better price than if it were used even 1 day) and the 75 as well. On the other hand if he found he really loved the hobby, then he could take his time to set up the 300 properly, and think further about stocking, filtration (we haven't even got to that yet lol), etc. without being in a rush. Yes this involves patience but as we all know that's pretty important to have in our hobby as well. Either way you choose Zugs good luck with it all.

 

[Ogertron3000]

My advice @The-Almighty-Zugs is to wait until the tank arrives then start a new thread about it.
Start with the silver dollars, there may be other fish you wish to add as it progresses and you can ask about them there and also any other questions you have. The tank is certainly big enough for a community of fish, just not a community centred around an arowana so you have options for tankmates in the future.

Like most of us I think as time goes by your tastes will change and what you want now will most likely be different in a few years, with a tank that size you can keep a huge variety of fish so as you are learning and setting up the tank keep looking and researching and see what else interests you. In a years time you might decide to shut down the tank and start again with African cichlids for example.

Like I said previously it's very hardcore to have a this size tank for your first ever aquarium but if you are prepared for the work and steep learning curve it will all work out in the end but no doubt you will have some dramatic setbacks along the way.

My final advice is listen to everyone not just your mates who are agreeing with you. You can always find someone to tell you what you want to hear but it's not always correct. As everyone has an opinion look for people with real experience with the fish you want not just someone who "thinks" it could work.

Out of interest, how long is it until the tank is made and delivered and you are ready to go?

 

[The-Almighty-Zugs]

Zugs go back and read it again. Read what Hendre said about Joey feeding SDs in his aro tank, and my response to that regarding the dietary differences, as well as what Hendre said. You still don’t get it.

Just because two fish have dietary differences between each other shouldn't automatically discount them from being kept together. I mean SD's are dithers and if you use fast sinking pellets to feed the SD's and floating pellets to feed the Aros couldn't that problem be solved that way? Even if the SD's are taking it's food, eventually the Aro will say enough is enough and start going for it and be more aggressive. I mean it's at least going to try harder to get food. If the only reasoning is dietary differences then I think that's more of an opinion. A welcome one though. I mean have you kept Silver Dollars with Arowana before? Or are you just saying that because other people like King of DIY has had these issues? Also, just because one person has this issue, doesn't mean that someone else will. I'm not discounting that it can happen but aren't there ways around this?

My advice @The-Almighty-Zugs is to wait until the tank arrives then start a new thread about it.
My final advice is listen to everyone not just your mates who are agreeing with you. You can always find someone to tell you what you want to hear but it's not always correct. As everyone has an opinion look for people with real experience with the fish you want not just someone who "thinks" it could work.

Out of interest, how long is it until the tank is made and delivered and you are ready to go?

Well the reason I am listening to the people I am is because they have kept Arowana and have told me that there are ways around the problems. That people are over-complicating things. I mean just because the King of DIY has some issues doesn't mean that will happen in every case. And even if it does, there are ways of counteracting that. I've had a bunch of people tell me that the tank is plenty big enough for an Aro comm tank whereas others have told me no.

In terms of tank size, Arowana are top dwellers. So my thinking is 24" would be enough. But again I don't know because I haven't kept them. But people are telling me that it will be more than fine. Arowana on top, Silver Dollars on mid level and Geophagus or something on bottom. I've seen tanks that are 24" high and have an Aro comm and it seems fine. But I ask because I want to hear opinions.

And they are in the drawing stages now. Should be a couple of weeks to a month until it's delivered.

 

[RD.]

LOL, I was keeping fish before you were born Zugs, long before you were born. I tend to stick to areas of this forum where I have something to offer, and to those that appreciate me taking the time to offer my many years of hands on experience. I think that you should just do want you want to do, because eventually that is exactly where this is all going to end. I also know that, from many years of first hand experience on fish forums.

I'm sure that others will help you along your journey, I won't be one of them.