96 x 30 x 24 Tank and Arowana Species

[The-Almighty-Zugs]

LOL, I was keeping fish before you were born Zugs, long before you were born. I tend to stick to areas of this forum where I have something to offer, and to those that appreciate me taking the time to offer my many years of hands on experience. I think that you should just do want you want to do, because eventually that is exactly where this is all going to end. I also know that, from many years of first hand experience on fish forums.

I'm sure that others will help you along your journey, I won't be one of them.

I never said I didn't appreciate your help. I do. Wholeheartedly. And I never questioned your experience. But I would still like to hear what you have to say on the points I brought up. I mean if you haven't kept SD's and Arowana that is fine. I was just bringing up points others have made. I would like to hear what counters you have. I'm just trying to understand all sides is all.

And that's up to you man. I would appreciate your help but if you don't want to give it anymore that is fine.

 

[The-Almighty-Zugs]

But I'm going to just leave this all alone now. I'm trying to have conversation and bring up points that others have made, in hopes that I can see what counters there are. I'm being told different things on all sides and am just trying to find out which side is "more" correct. Trying to get more detail on why people feel and think the way they do. But it looks like some people don't like that and are just becoming angry with me. But if me countering someones points with another's causes someone just to say I'm not helping anymore, then there really is no point in continuing. I want all the help I can get and if asking questions splits the available information in half, what's the point? Anyway, thank you to all who have been helping me out and took time out of their busy days to give me the knowledge I needed. Hopefully, if I come back I can update everyone and share my journey.

 

[Nilsafeller]

Hell, i would line up 8 feet worth of ac110s and call it a day! Heater in the least noticeable corner of course.

I think what your boy meant with the goal post analogy was its becoming harder and harder to please the would be powers around here, and easier than ever to offend them. I'll not say more, but instead will observe a moment of silence for the loss of a respected forumite, @Dloks

Its 2019... it's impossible to please some people... some people just need to feel good about themselves by being the loudest in the room.

 

[twentyleagues]

Personally I don't think going with a 300 to begin with is a bad idea if Zugs has the desire and time. Likewise if he's got the cash (Black Friday is coming up isn't it?) I don't think picking up a 75g to start off with is a bad idea either even though the 300's on the way. With the 75 he could learn the ropes and get more confident. During this time he could see if he really digs the hobby (and all the good points but also the tiresome (for many) & time consuming but necessary water changes, dealing with health issues, death etc.).

If it turns out that he doesn't really take to the hobby he could always sell the still brand new 300g (for a better price than if it were used even 1 day) and the 75 as well. On the other hand if he found he really loved the hobby, then he could take his time to set up the 300 properly, and think further about stocking, filtration (we haven't even got to that yet lol), etc. without being in a rush. Yes this involves patience but as we all know that's pretty important to have in our hobby as well. Either way you choose Zugs good luck with it all.

Exactly my point.
Again Zugs I am not trying to defeat you or hurt your feelings. But you are missing stuff that is said and like @RD said you will probably end up doing what you want anyway. Ive never kept arowana but I have looked into keeping them. They tend to be skittish and jumpy especially in the presence of other fish. This skittish jumpiness can manifest in a few ways as aggression toward the other fish, jumping out of the tank or slamming into the sides of the tank during a bolt. These things lead to damage to the fish itself, other fish, thing in the tank like heaters and the tank itself, not to mention possibly you if you happen to be in the way. Just a warning. I again see no issue with experianced people having these fish. I have no issue with people having large tanks. I do care that someone may be in over their heads and while certain members will ra ra ra you while in the beginning stages and then say oh well when you fail. I would like you to see the larger picture and try the hobby before you go nuts off the deep end. I want you to succeed, I want you to love the hobby. That 300 will make a great community tank. Just not a community with an arowana or other large predatory fish. Thats what rd was saying. Sds are annoying fish they like gobble up food and get in the faces of other fish so many times ive heard the sds arowana thing fail.
As for Joey failing I really kind of expect that tbh.
Your tank can house an arowana.
Tour tank can be a great community tank.
Arowana and community tanks don't tend to do well.
If the tank were deeper to give more room between the "levels" like say 40+" (I don't know for sure just tossing that out) the arowana community thing may be possible.
Look you can pick up a 75 set up from petsmart for around $350 a 125 for $450. I'm telling you maintance is easier to learn on a smaller easier to do maintenance on tank then the 180+ tanks. Yes I know larger water volume helps with keeping things stable but if you dont know whats going on and it gets out of hand its harder to fix a large messed up tank then a smaller one. I can't say it better then that if you dont understand at this point I cant help you farther. Good luck I hope everything works out for you!

 

[The-Almighty-Zugs]

Exactly my point.
Again Zugs I am not trying to defeat you or hurt your feelings. But you are missing stuff that is said and like @RD said you will probably end up doing what you want anyway. Ive never kept arowana but I have looked into keeping them. They tend to be skittish and jumpy especially in the presence of other fish. This skittish jumpiness can manifest in a few ways as aggression toward the other fish, jumping out of the tank or slamming into the sides of the tank during a bolt. These things lead to damage to the fish itself, other fish, thing in the tank like heaters and the tank itself, not to mention possibly you if you happen to be in the way. Just a warning. I again see no issue with experianced people having these fish. I have no issue with people having large tanks. I do care that someone may be in over their heads and while certain members will ra ra ra you while in the beginning stages and then say oh well when you fail. I would like you to see the larger picture and try the hobby before you go nuts off the deep end. I want you to succeed, I want you to love the hobby. That 300 will make a great community tank. Just not a community with an arowana or other large predatory fish. Thats what rd was saying. Sds are annoying fish they like gobble up food and get in the faces of other fish so many times ive heard the sds arowana thing fail.
As for Joey failing I really kind of expect that tbh.
Your tank can house an arowana.
Tour tank can be a great community tank.
Arowana and community tanks don't tend to do well.
If the tank were deeper to give more room between the "levels" like say 40+" (I don't know for sure just tossing that out) the arowana community thing may be possible.
Look you can pick up a 75 set up from petsmart for around $350 a 125 for $450. I'm telling you maintance is easier to learn on a smaller easier to do maintenance on tank then the 180+ tanks. Yes I know larger water volume helps with keeping things stable but if you dont know whats going on and it gets out of hand its harder to fix a large messed up tank then a smaller one. I can't say it better then that if you dont understand at this point I cant help you farther. Good luck I hope everything works out for you!

So you're saying that an Arowana in a Community will not work because Arowana just don't do well in communities to begin with unless they're above 24 inches? So it's not about appetites etc but just due to temperament. Okay that makes sense.

 

[twentyleagues]

So you're saying that an Arowana in a Community will not work because Arowana just don't do well in communities to begin with unless they're above 24 inches? So it's not about appetites etc but just due to temperament. Okay that makes sense.

Yes. Arowana are finicky fish. Sds are loud a boisterous fish. Not a really good combo. Like rd mentioned full grown arowana is 6+" top to bottom say 2" substrate youve got 16" give or take between the arowana and bottom of the tank. Sds at full size are 6+" not alot of levels going on there.
Sds are greedy fish and should eat a diet high in plant matter. Not eat all the food including your high protein foods for the arowana. Thats the point on diet. And no the arowana may not get tired of not eating it may just die. Probably by trying to leave the unpleasant environment its in. Maybe from refusing to eat until its sick and can't. I'm interested in all things fish so I watch Joey to see whats going on just like I watch taylor, cory, steenfot or whatever his name is and others. But I'm interested in the 375 arowana tetra tank that Joey has just set up. I think the arowana will eventually start eating the tetras but we will see. Maybe something like that would work? But you need experience. How long until you have the 300?

 

[The-Almighty-Zugs]

How long until you have the 300?

About a month or so.

 

[Galantspeedz]

Ive never kept arowana but I have looked into keeping them. They tend to be skittish and jumpy especially in the presence of other fish. Sds are annoying fish they like gobble up food and get in the faces of other fish so many times ive heard the sds arowana thing fail.
Arowana and community tanks don't tend to do well.
If the tank were deeper to give more room between the "levels" like say 40+" (I don't know for sure just tossing that out) the arowana community thing may be possible.

If you are talking about asian aro, maybe you should keep them then learnt that all the above said is not true. Possible yes but not entirely true.

I would say is dependent on the aro itself

 

[twentyleagues]

If you are talking about asian aro, maybe you should keep them then learnt that all the above said is not true. Possible yes but not entirely true.

I would say is dependent on the aro itself

If I could have one I probably would. The closest would be jardini and those have the worst reputation of all arowana. Silvers are just to big. All you have to do is read the arowana forums not just these here to hear a ton of horror stories but yes you are correct its not all. But the majority of them are skittish especially around other fish in confined spaces. I would consider a 300 with an adult arowana a confined space. Double it or tripple it and maybe its a more viable option. Like I said I dont own one because they are illegal here. I would love one and I wouldnt put it in a 300 it would go in a large plywood pond/tank with atleast 1 window. Large 500g+. Why? because I dont like minimum specs. Minimum spec is 4× length and 1.5 width so say average is 24" 96×36 still seems small. I guess if it was just the arowana it'd be ok. Just like I could say not all cobras are willing to bite you. Its likely the majority are though and the best course of action is to assume it will and stay away from it. We can play this game all day. Every person is different just like every animal is different but there is a word.... stereotype it's a word for a reason. Your stereotypical arowana is flighty, and finicky and not for someone with ZERO experience. Good ones are in a tank by themselves. But read the threads at some point there is issue either jumping or darting because of lighting or other outside stimuli. And usually a period of not wanting to eat or only wanting a certain food item. Again you are correct it depends on the individual. Go read the forums. Like I said I have read the forums here and other forums and almost all of them at some point have issues of some sort and more then half that are in with other fish end poorly for something.

 

[Galantspeedz]

If I could have one I probably would. The closest would be jardini and those have the worst reputation of all arowana. Silvers are just to big. All you have to do is read the arowana forums not just these here to hear a ton of horror stories but yes you are correct its not all. But the majority of them are skittish especially around other fish in confined spaces. I would consider a 300 with an adult arowana a confined space. Double it or tripple it and maybe its a more viable option. Like I said I dont own one because they are illegal here. I would love one and I wouldnt put it in a 300 it would go in a large plywood pond/tank with atleast 1 window. Large 500g+. Why? because I dont like minimum specs. Minimum spec is 4× length and 1.5 width so say average is 24" 96×36 still seems small. I guess if it was just the arowana it'd be ok. Just like I could say not all cobras are willing to bite you. Its likely the majority are though and the best course of action is to assume it will and stay away from it. We can play this game all day. Every person is different just like every animal is different but there is a word.... stereotype it's a word for a reason. Your stereotypical arowana is flighty, and finicky and not for someone with ZERO experience. Good ones are in a tank by themselves. But read the threads at some point there is issue either jumping or darting because of lighting or other outside stimuli. And usually a period of not wanting to eat or only wanting a certain food item. Again you are correct it depends on the individual. Go read the forums. Like I said I have read the forums here and other forums and almost all of them at some point have issues of some sort and more then half that are in with other fish end poorly for something.

You can't keep them so what I say will be moot

But I will respectfully disagree with all that you said