Your telling me Steve, been talking about it for a long time, needs to do it before they turn, much easier to milk a male. Chris, red as in blood red and shiny. Bob got a sneak peek, said it was pretty bloody impressive (no pun intended). The gold is still regaining it's full colour after they nearly died from the power outage in the cyclone, in real life it is bang on. Will take the dslr down next weekend and get some clear shots and vid.