building a 1000 gal concrete block monster tank

[wizzin]

I called them a little while ago. Yes, they do recommend the primer. I didn't know that either and didn't buy it. I'm going too, as I decided to go 4 coats instead of 3 too, and I need another gallon. One thing that has caused leaks is that people don't "frame" in the glass. It's just pressure adheared to the inside of the front panels of the tank. The sanitred isn't wrapped around the glass/acrylic. The weak point is the side pressure. With no LRB wrapping around the side of the glass, the water pressure at the side of the glass between the glass and the sanitred causes the failure. They said the cause of failure has been improper application, not failure of product, which I would have to agree with (no offense).

I've seen a lot of applications where the inside of the glass opening is slathered with silicone or sanitred and the glass is pushed into that bed. That is not a good seal, no matter what product you're using. The sealant needs to wrap the glass like my sketch on page 11.

and here we go. Proof from 1-18-07 that I called them, and that I went with 4 coats instead of the recommended 3. I went over what they stated. They also failed to mention that I needed the primer the first time around.

This is just a non professional company and the product isn't great either.

Biggest problem now is the way they treat their customers.

 

[GooDyboy420]

That is seriusly bougus, all yiou wanna do is fisnih your tank, thats all grr...grrr

 

[Bizarroterl]

Second, IT IS PRIMED WITH ONE COAT OF PERMAFLEX. You can tell because the block looks mottled. Permaflex is like latex paint. It got sucked into the block so much that after one coat, it's barely visible. I can actually see it because I remember what it looked like. I'm going to look through my photos again tonight.

So you used one coat of primer instead of 2 before the LRB/TAV patch?

 

[Bizarroterl]

‘Wizzin’ has been difficult to correspond with.

Specifically speaking ... ‘Wizzin’ made many assumptions that were incorrect and calculated an improper quantity of material for this tank. ‘Wizzin’ refuses to accept that fact and blames us for his misunderstandings. We asked for some photos that would accurately depict the problem he was having and ‘Wizzin’ said “no problem” because he evidently documented his application step-by-step. The only photos I’ve received depicted the products being applied incorrectly.

For instance … the application is a simple 3-step process.

1. Prime the substrate 1 coat of PermaFlex 240 sq’ per gal (block needs 2 coats)
2. Patch any joints, seams, cracks, holes and rough areas using LRB/TAV mixture
3. Topcoat using 1 coat of PermaFlex (240 sq’ per gal)

THE PROBLEM:

1. Here are two photos provided by ‘Wizzin’. As you can see in the left pic, he skipped the 1st step and went straight to applying LRB/TAV mixture to the raw block (I don’t know why and he has yet to reply to that).
2. In the 2nd pic you can see that ‘Wizzin’ did prime the wall before he began patching, but not everywhere. ‘Wizzin’ did NOT like being told that he made an error and that these locations should be a concern of his.

‘Wizzin’ did send us some other photos in order to show me just how well he sealed the surface of the block and asked “why is it still leaking”? I circled obvious areas in RED to show spots of concern and let him know that these are holes (very large pores in the block) that would require just a little patching with LRB/TAV mixture. Inexpensive/light weight block is extremely porous. You can see that he has previously attempted to FILL these holes with PermaFlex (light colored blotches). I informed him that PermaFlex is not designed to fill anything and LRB/TAV mixture is designed for this very purpose. ‘Wizzin’ became more agitated. The fact is, ‘Wizzin’ did not have any more LRB/TAV mixture because he did not order enough to perform such minor patching where it is necessary. ‘Wizzin’ believes that this is our fault.

HOW ‘WIZZIN’ CALCULATED THE QUANTITY OF MATERIAL REQUIRED FOR HIS TANK:

• Wizzin’ use our ‘Swimming Pool Calculator’ found on this page
• Wizzin’ entered: Pool Shape – Rectangle Wall Type – Block Length-10’ Width-5’ Depth-4’

This is what the calculator stated and this is precisely what ‘Wizzin’ purchased:

‘Wizzin’ did NOT understand how the calculator works for swimming pools and withougt consulting us he assumed that our swimming pool calculator would somehow know that he had a huge glass pannel to seal, wood-to-block seams to seal, 4 vertical corner seams to seal, inlet/outlet plumbing to seal around and X amount of spuratic patchwork throughout his walls. The swimming pool calculator calculates how much PermaFlex needed for walls & floor, LRB/TAV to seal where the wall meets the floor … THAT’S ALL. ‘Wizzin’ made the mistake of not entering how many linear foot of additional joint/seam/crack he had to seal within the automatic calculator where it says:

I have been trying to help ‘Wizzin’ and I would prefer to stay out of the forum as customer/vendor problems never appear professional online, but he is making false claims. ‘Wizzin’ states that he received no literature with his order. This is NOT true as all orders come with complete and thorough instructions. These are the ONLY photos I have received to date and have yet to receive any photos of his other concerns. ‘Wizzin’ would make some wild statements and I repeatedly request the photos that he claims he has to no avail.

I would love to forward ALL of our previous correspondence to anyone who is curious, but I believe that would be an invasion of ‘Wizzins’ privacy. ‘Wizzin’ made certain threats and is in fact ‘trying’ to use the web/forum in some way to his advantage in hopes that we bend to his will. His idea of how we should resolve his errors is for us to give him FREE material.

So wizzin could "save" his tank by patching all problematic areas with the LRB/TAV and another topcoat coat of Permaflex?

 

[Bizarroterl]

SaniTred,
With block wall construction would you recommend a skim coat of mortar to fill any imperfections before the Permaflex?

 

[Bizarroterl]

As for documentation, I DID NOT receive ANY documentation. That is a lie too. I'm amazed by this, and I am calling your supervisor. You haven't given me one useful piece of advice on this issue.

Second, go ahead, forward every email communication we've had. I'd actually like to post them on this forum, then everyone can see that you're lying! Like, you never asked me EVER about priming the block, and how many times have I told you that I talked to your reps when I ordered the material?

Here, hows this guys. Next time you're building a concrete tank this size, here is how much sanitred will cost you! HA!

??? I thought the aquarium was 10' * 5' * 4' ???

 

[wright4lfe]

lol holy **** at spending almost 8K to seal a block wall tank. i can't believe after being a member of this forum for so long you wouldn't have been in direct contact with johnptc who has built 2 (and on his 3rd) concrete block tanks without these same problems.

i hope you get this squared away, but it seems like a pretty expensive lesson to learn.

 

[Bizarroterl]

lol holy **** at spending almost 8K to seal a block wall tank. i can't believe after being a member of this forum for so long you wouldn't have been in direct contact with johnptc who has built 2 (and on his 3rd) concrete block tanks without these same problems.

i hope you get this squared away, but it seems like a pretty expensive lesson to learn.

Based on the units they use in their calculator that tank is 100' * 45' * 8' which would be huge!

 

[Sani-Tred Rep.]

So wizzin could "save" his tank by patching all problematic areas with the LRB/TAV and another topcoat coat of Permaflex?

Absolutely correct. Instead ... he decided to apply a 4th coat.

 

[Sani-Tred Rep.]

SaniTred,
With block wall construction would you recommend a skim coat of mortar to fill any imperfections before the Permaflex?

A skim coat could be done, but that would inhibit the materials from permanently adhering to the block itself. Basically one would be relying on the cement to permanently adhere to the block.

3 coats on block and 2 coats on poured concrete surfaces is all that is needed. LRB/TAV mixture is used for all joints, seams, cracks, holes and rough areas. Basically LRB/TAV mixture is for all patching.