Is she not quite on the same level as us here with fish? I can see that price being a big hurdle if so!bigcol;3818796; said:Its proving to be more difficult than i origionally thought m8, if she would let me use the cash i could have the fish by next week but its causing a few ripples so im not going to rock the boat just yetI have all the initial stuff sorted, its just a case of paying the guy and walla we have liftoff
Can you tell what it is yet? Construction has started!
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Satan's Goldfish;3818650; said:Predicting 6 window leaks to patch, 2 per window. And that's me feeling optomistic
just 'window leaks' ,,, ????? i got a fiver on a 'window loss' with bigcol , lol
only joking ,
looking forward to seeing water above those windows though mate , if your worried about the silicone leaking , then you could always cover the silicone with silicone ,
which finger do you use now to flatten the silicone anyway ?
Thanks for the confidence!jasoncambs;3818831; said:just 'window leaks' ,,, ????? i got a fiver on a 'window loss' with bigcol , lol
only joking ,
looking forward to seeing water above those windows though mate , if your worried about the silicone leaking , then you could always cover the silicone with silicone ,
which finger do you use now to flatten the silicone anyway ?
Window strength isn't a problem, i'm 99.999999% certain they won't blow out, i'm just worried of water getting between either liner and frame or glass and frame. There's plenty of sealant in both those gaps but i'm just not that lucky.
I did think of using the middle finger on my other hand, but then didn't wanna risk not being able to flip people off properly with either one
supports my hobby but refuses to help me fund it, typical eh lolSatan's Goldfish;3818825; said:
been thinking about your dilema, if you got frames made from steal fabs, then why not just get some more square frames made to fit the outside of the windows, you know so it holds the tarp in place then screw and silicone all round also silicone the frames down too aswell as screwing. Hope that made sence m8, i confused myself writing it
not.That will ensure that the tarp and liner will be held in place around the windows and there is a garuntee of no leaks.
Sounds like when i still lived with my parents.....but they were probably less supportive as well!bigcol;3818881; said:supports my hobby but refuses to help me fund it, typical eh lol
been thinking about your dilema, if you got frames made from steal fabs, then why not just get some more square frames made to fit the outside of the windows, you know so it holds the tarp in place then screw and silicone all round also silicone the frames down too aswell as screwing. Hope that made sence m8, i confused myself writing it
That will ensure that the tarp and liner will be held in place around the windows and there is a garuntee of no leaks.
With the frames, do you mean on the pond side of the tarp or under the tarp? i think you mean pond side, which would create the problem of the screws going all the way through the tarp and the liner. As i can't guarentee the tarp is 100% seep proof there's always the possibility of moisture getting under the silicone through the tarp to where the screws are, run down the puncture holes caused by the screws and into the wood. Covering the screws in silicone before fitting them might work but don't know how much would be rubbed off by the screwing in process itself. It's for this reason that i didn't tuck the tarp under the frames that are sealed to the liner although that was the original plan until it was brought to my attention.
Any 'screw through tarp into wood' situation creates a strong leak possibility - i think. The screws through the liner should hopefully (touch wood) be completely isolated from the water by the way the rubber liner sealant was applied around the edges of the frames and the fact that the screw heads are now behind the glass windows and silicone from the water.
Does that make sense?
aquarium silicone is very strong stuff when applied properly and will cover almost anything when applied right. i think it would work but thats my opinion, and yeah i meant the pond side m8 not between the tarp and liner
If the frames are flat with holes in for screws, then silicone all round the inside of the frame (lots) then screw the frame to secure the tarp, let it set and cure for a day or 2 (i would say 2 days will make sure it set properly) then finish the edge of those frames with more silicone, i would most prob beable to bet you that it will not leak at all matey Just my 2 pennies but how you fix the prob is entirely upto you
If the frames are flat with holes in for screws, then silicone all round the inside of the frame (lots) then screw the frame to secure the tarp, let it set and cure for a day or 2 (i would say 2 days will make sure it set properly) then finish the edge of those frames with more silicone, i would most prob beable to bet you that it will not leak at all matey
Just my 2 pennies but how you fix the prob is entirely upto you The issue i have isn't with the silicone, it's with the tarp itself. It proved from whe i took the top 2 layers out it could seep water so my issue would be it seeping water along it's material through the weave it's made from and getting under the silicone to the screws that way. Chances are if 'wet' silicone is tightly compressed down by the tightening of the screws on the frame then the silicone will seep into those gaps and seal it but not a 100% guarentee it will get into all the tiny microscopic pores. Still have to put a lot of rubber pond liner sealant around where each screw goes through the liner too to try and seal that and stick the tarp to it tightly in just the right place. Would require a very thick bead over the screw holes and each side of them to try and stop seapage.bigcol;3819063; said:aquarium silicone is very strong stuff when applied properly and will cover almost anything when applied right. i think it would work but thats my opinion, and yeah i meant the pond side m8 not between the tarp and liner
If the frames are flat with holes in for screws, then silicone all round the inside of the frame (lots) then screw the frame to secure the tarp, let it set and cure for a day or 2 (i would say 2 days will make sure it set properly) then finish the edge of those frames with more silicone, i would most prob beable to bet you that it will not leak at all matey
It could work and would be mighty effective at holding the tarp still, but it also creates a lot more likely leak locations than i already have and could be a complete nightmare to fit in as everything's a tight squeeze to start with. Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea and was how i was thinking with the window frames until i found the tarps weren't 100% soak proof and changed the plan, If it was multiple liners then it would definately work.
Plus, after i've 'patched' up the gaps i have now there will probably be a large enough space for water to flow through to the area between the tarp and the liner. This will balance the pressure on the tarp that it's currently experiencing and stop it pulling like it is. The slabs that are going to go on the bottom will stop the tarp from floating up as the water gets behind it and keep it in place. Just need to go out and prize them off the patio!
To be honest m8 i wouldnt have used the tarp i would of went for a double liner, thats what im going for, folded twice, its gotta be stronger and has to hold, as we are playing with alot of water here
No doupt about any of these projects, any ones worst nightmare is a floor full of water and bouncing fishys
No doupt about any of these projects, any ones worst nightmare is a floor full of water and bouncing fishys
