As CC already said the new 10mm. Its not only nutritionally better than massivore it is also cheaper. 2 lbs of massivore averages at $50 and 4 lbs of Mega Fish 10mm is 55 shipped from D & S.LBathory;4075986; said:
Hikari vs. NLS
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Only one fish in my house has been willing to eat the NLS. Pacu eat everything, I even fasted them for 4 days, they still won't eat it.
The only one eating it is a hybrid tilapia. An oscar is poking at it, and one pleco poked at it. But only the tilapia is eating it.
I am tempted to try Omega One next.
The only one eating it is a hybrid tilapia. An oscar is poking at it, and one pleco poked at it. But only the tilapia is eating it.
I am tempted to try Omega One next.
As I stated repeatedly in Pharoah's thread, some fish will definitely reject the new 10mm pellets due to their hardness. That doesn't mean that there aren't other options within the NLS line of products. 
Other than a Mbu puffer, I've yet to run across a freshwater fish that couldn't be trained to eat at least one of the NLS formulas. Some fish take to new foods straight away, others need some time to adjust.
Sorry to hear that it hasn't worked out for you.
Other than a Mbu puffer, I've yet to run across a freshwater fish that couldn't be trained to eat at least one of the NLS formulas. Some fish take to new foods straight away, others need some time to adjust.
Sorry to hear that it hasn't worked out for you.
It's funny you mention that. I was feeding my RD almost exclusively on NLS as a staple pellet for awhile along with some Bio-Gold+ and Krill. About two weeks ago I started giving him Omega One Color Pellets that he attacked like candy, now he wouln't look at the NLS! None of my other fish want it so now I have to force him back onto the NLS or I'm stuck with a whole container of the stuff. Thera-a isn't bad it has garlic in it and I got my discus to start eating it and my Vieja Argentea will eat it too, but the jumbo fish formula is just sitting there. I should of finished the container before I messed around. I think the most important statement you made is "an oscar is poking at it" they're the goats of the chiclid world and if an oscar wouln't eat it what's that tell you.kdrun76;4077000; said:
It tells you that the 10mm pellet is too hard for most oscars, and an oscar would be better served with one of the floating formulas.
Watch the vid on the New Life site, and you'll see what I personally consider some hard to train freshwater fish, and what many marine keepers will tell you are species that are impossible to train on pellets ..... all eating NLS. http://nlsfishfood.com/http://nlsfishfood.com/
Not only will they eat the food, many of the marine fish featured in that vid ate it exclusively, for close to 13 yrs. (before they were lost due to an equipment malfunction)
Even V. lionfish have been trained to come to the surface and accept NLS pellets, and actually hit them quite hard. In comparison, training an oscar would be considered childs play.
I agree you can train them eat it, I have done it, what I said was once they were given somthing else they didn't want you go back to it. If the pellet is too hard for the Oscar why didn't he eat it after if floated around a while and softened up? I think NLS has some good stuff in it and is a quality food it just does no good if I can't get it into the fish. As I stated if I starve my RD out for a few days he'll eat it if that's all he's going to get weather he likes it or not he'll eat it that's how I got him on it to begin with. Not the best tag line for a fish food "NLS if they're starving thay'll eat it!" I don't want to bash NLS it really is good food I have no vested interest in any food if it's good quality and the fish eat it that's what matters, I'm not eating it.
LOL, I hate to admit it but my fish eat far better than I do.
But you make a good point, the fact that a food is more palatable, such as those which contain high inclusion rates of fat, or perhaps MSG, does not equate to them being better for the fish. If my wife would let me, I'd probably eat pizza 7 days a week!
Tom, while you are correct in that it doesn't matter how good a food is if a fish won't eat it, once initially rejected some fish simply won't go back to the same food & give it another go. Also, the NLS 10mm pellets take a good 8 hrs or more, before they begin to really soften up. I have fed the 10mm to several oscars, they all initially hit it like it was their last meal, but it was simply too hard for them to smash up in their mouth, and they gave up after a few minutes. I also fed it to a 6" female RD (just as a test) and she wouldn't let it go until it was finished. She took another & repeated the same performance. The 10mm was not designed with oscars in mind, (or juvie RD's for that matter) and results with that formula is going to mixed, depending on the species, it's size, it's feeding aggression level, etc.
I have made it crystal clear from the get go that th 10mm formula would not be a wise choice for oscars, even before I had tried the food myself, so none of this comes as a surprise to me. Some hobbyists are going to love the new 10mm pellets, and some aren't. From the feedback that I have been receiving from local hobbyists (some of them members here) I'm pretty happy with everyones initial results. (large stingrays, large pbass, large carnivorous plecos, large tigs & other catfish, etc.)
I didn't realize it took them that long to soften up, that explains a lot. Thank you for the civil response. I see so many of these "debates" degrade into personal assualts. Once I see that starting I bail out, I don't need that crap. If our fish are healthy and happy that's what's important that's really what we're all here for.
i have had great success with thera A 3mm pellets for my bichirs and midas. my GT also ate it before he was moved out.
it took absolutely no training to go from hikari cichlid gold to thera A, hikari one day then NLS the next. they absolutely destroy the NLS, they have always liked their food but they hit the thera A like its bloodworm or they havent been fed for a week (best examples i could think of). such excitement and splashing when i pick up the tub, even the smaller and more shy bichirs come to the top front when i pick up the thera A tub.
i have more colour and activity than i ever have feeding hikari cichlid gold. i have to say its been a happy transition and the improvements ive noticed really say it all for me.
it took absolutely no training to go from hikari cichlid gold to thera A, hikari one day then NLS the next. they absolutely destroy the NLS, they have always liked their food but they hit the thera A like its bloodworm or they havent been fed for a week (best examples i could think of). such excitement and splashing when i pick up the tub, even the smaller and more shy bichirs come to the top front when i pick up the thera A tub.
i have more colour and activity than i ever have feeding hikari cichlid gold. i have to say its been a happy transition and the improvements ive noticed really say it all for me.
